Talk:Jobar

Not neutral article

I added a pov tag. Its about a suburb of Damascus and there is nothing here about todays suburb. Its only focused on one thing that really should be a minor subject. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:05, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the POV tag is correctly placed here. Maybe {{::expand}} would be a better choice. History is not a minor subject at all. As Pearl Buck said: "If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday." Chesdovi (talk) 17:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

The article is not focused on what it should be focused on. Thats a pov problem. Even the first line: "historically a village on the outskirts of Damascus, Syria, is now a suburb of the capital" is problematic. It should say that its a suburb of Damascus, and then more detailed explanation in history. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I think its okay as it is. Chesdovi (talk) 17:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Please don't remove the pov tag until this article has been rewritten to a more general article about this suburb.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

For historically important towns/villages that are now absorbed into suburbs of a larger city, this phrasing seems common and appropriate. It's the phrasing we use for a lot of Parisian suburbs, for example. Essentially, "historically was an important city, is now a suburb of Paris". In many such cases, the historical content is really the main encyclopedic content, because any more recent content (post-absorption) generally is better covered on the main city's article. --Delirium (talk) 21:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

"The old synagogue was converted into a school for displaced Arabs."

Look at this image that looks recent, it shows no trace of the synagogue being converted into "a school for displaced Arabs". --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I could not find anything about its status today. If you can, please add. Chesdovi (talk) 17:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Translation of Arabic version

Orionist found the arabic version and the following is a crude translation by Google Translate:

Jouber district is a district of the ancient city of Damascus. Return call because of the cave he was hiding by the Prophet of God Elias had the den of a small (well water) and was Almnth ground (forest) was called the place (Jeb righteousness) and developed the label to Jouber, this place now within the synagogue is located in the neighborhood that is frequented by far few Jews, Syrians, of course. The district's Muslim and Christian families, there is some people living brotherhood, love and relationships more than wonderful. And is located in northeast of Damascus, between Kassa'a Alkabon the west and north and south, and was appointed Terma Zmlka east. Many historians consider neighborhood Jouber second place for the Jews in Damascus old, where the synagogue (house of worship for Jews) is the oldest synagogue in the world and is located in a street school in the town center, the oldest Torah in the world, as well as the shrine of the Prophet Elias peace be upon him and the denominator vegetables peace be upon him. As found in Jouber oldest sports club in Syria, a club Maysaloun Mathematical There (Stadium Stadium Abbasids international) and sports center under the Ministry of Education and the swimming pool, soccer field, basketball, and hospital of the Abbasids and two shopping malls government center of the Abbasids and the Centre for the eighth of March and there are Jouber market also cardamom new .

Of the most famous streets and Markets: St Kharrar starts from (Parliament Square) to the north end into the back of garages Abbasids in the middle of no school, "Aisha Albaonip primary" and along the street, spreading its many shops (groceries, welders, a bakery, grocery store .... .) Street market Asma'i and Hoalstreet principal and most famous Jouber a market and combine residential floors of the terminal, its center field leading to the four intersections can be made through the eastern side access to street school and the western side of hot granite to reach the street Kharrar ends Mosque Jouber great he was succeeded by Cafe Jouber which was meet by senior people of the country for handling affairs of the town and solve problems where none of the small or so young at the time that passes from the side due to the awe and deep respect. Street School is located at the end towards the south Madrspaljhad Arab and sideways School'Asqallaani Alaptdaiipomrkz UNRWA and then the synagogue (The Warren Christopher had visited in 1990 during the shuttling to Syria to advance the peace process market Almanto one of the most important markets Almanto in Damascus, where he frequented by women from all regions and that the large number of laboratories manufacturer Manto and many Saladtha and exhibited in this market and diversified profiles and models and colors as there are lots of shops, supermarkets, restaurants and galleries household items, Alkahrbaiipogerha ...

There are many mosques and shrines most famous mosque Jouber Amadiyah the great mosque, which is one of the oldest mosques and mosque Sahaabi Harmalah ibn al-Walid's brother Sahaabi Khalid Bin Al Waleed There is also the place where the world famous Basmai language and there are many of the markets.

The modern residential project contains a section of the police and the health center and a cultural center known Bastdavath of many religious and political figures, there Jouber telephone exchange, which is the latest PBX is located in the city of Damascus.

A popular old trader in Damascus (the Jews of Khaibar and people of Jouber) This is like the center of the typeface and its origin is "Islam Jouber and not the Jews of Khaibar," The origin of this proverb is that Jouber which was essentially the second-largest Jewish community in the world after the Khyber During the Islamic conquests of the country Levant and specifically during the reign of caliph Omar bin al-Khattab, Muslims managed to open the Levant whole, after battles in the vicinity of all the cities in the regions of Syria and all parts of the Levant, and of course Jouber was one of the gates that the income of which Muslim conquerors, where the tomb of Jesus Harmalah newborn son, when the witness's Jewish deal of the Muslim conquerors ("I do not betray or treacherously do not boil or Tmtheloa do not kill children and an old man and a woman does not Tqaroa Dates in Thrkoh, and cut down fruit trees, and slaughter a sheep and a camel ..." was the Jews themselves, after this example of Roowa Marwoh Muslims deal, which was not at the level of handling required by their peers and their brothers in the city of Khyber, but many people have handled this parable inverted as a rebuke to the people of this region mired in the foot and authentic, which includes among Hnayaha people of best and Akram and fearing people, in particular, as a corollary its people of modesty and chastity, religion and science as one of the areas of the county as its people, were still committed to the customs and traditions of decency and literature, famous for the people of Sham Venzaihm still wear Almanto gowns and black women were also before a long time wearing the so-called "Cover the Yemeni" to move in the lanes, between the houses converged as a kind of cover modest light curtain, which was easy to dress in several colors non-scandalous Beni, and black with some Alekhali Altkulaimat it.

Where there is one secondary school for young people (Anwar full) and the full seven-and middle schools for girls (Adib met Abdullah Younis) and there are several primary and middle schools.

The number of residents of the neighborhood residents and is an approximation / 300.000 / people in / 2008 /. Is also the economic artery of the city of Damascus, including the multiplicity of areas of work / jobs of popular and professional, medical, commercial and small industries /.

Tracking area Jouber to Damascus and is a strategic area for the city since the subordination of the city in 1968.

And the Jouber the three neighborhoods (East Jouber + Western Jouber + Jouber safety and independence) and three mayors.

We cannot add any of this unless we have proper RS. Orionist noted that RS are most probably to be found printed in arabic. If anyone could help finding any, it would be helpful. Thanks. Chesdovi (talk) 09:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Text with no relation to article

This is text with no relation to the article[1] --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

The Golan may not be part of Syria, but Jobar is. Chesdovi (talk) 12:36, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

New references

For anyone who wants to work on this and the Jobar Synagogue articles, here are the references I could find on the web:

Most of these have the Jews of Syria as a main theme, so they can be used in any corresponding articles.

• Iqtissadiya Weekly article. This is the best source I could find. The date of Issue 293 is 29 apr 2007. (in Arabic)
• Same article above posted on another site. Here are some photos missing from the original. (in Arabic)
• Article from chorouk online website (in Arabic)
• Article from Al Arabiya website (in Arabic)
• NY Times Article. Only vague reference to the synagogue here. (in English)
• Article about the synagogue and the ritual murder mentioned here in the synagogue article. But the link is not the original source, which I failed to find. (in Arabic)
• [http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=330169 photos of various synagogues] in the Muslim world, some of which in Syria (including Jobar). (in English)
• Jobar facebook page (in Arabic)

This is all what I had the time to do. Further searching might return some better sources. Regards, -- Orionist ★ talk 18:20, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

War

This article: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/09/syria-regime-attack-jobar-control-opposition-rebels.html says that fighting in Jobar is important for how much the electricity will be on in central Damascus. Does that belong in a wikipedia article? ArthurDent006.5 (talk) 01:06, 11 November 2014 (UTC)