Talk:Joan de Munchensi

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Bibbesworth

I think I put this sentence in originally: others added the references:

Joan de Munchensi is well known not only for her family connections but also for her patronage of the Anglo-Norman poet Walter of Bibbesworth, whose Treatise, a verse glossary of Anglo-Norman vocabulary, was written at her request for her children's education.^[1]^[2]

^ Jambeck, K. K. (2005). Childhood in the Middle Ages And the Renaissance. p. 160. ISBN 978-3110184211. the work has been composed at the request of a lady, apparently Madame de Mountechensy
^ Hunt, Tony (1991). Teaching and learning Latin in thirteenth-century England. Vol. 1. p. 12. ISBN 978-0859913379.

I'm removing it because it's all true except for the crucial point that (as I now see) I got the wrong person. Joan de Munchensi very likely learned French from this book, but the person who commissioned it was her stepmother, her father's second wife, who really was called Dionisie de Munchensi. Dionisie de Munchensi has no Wikipedia article; nor does Walter de Bibbesworth, so there is nowhere to paste this sentence as yet.

This becomes clear if one really reads the articles mentioned in the footnote. Sorry. Andrew Dalby 19:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Children

John Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings currently lists his children as:

first wife (Joan de Munchensi):

William Hastings (1282–1311)
John Hastings, 2nd Baron Hastings (29 September 1286 – 20 January 1325), married to Juliane de Leybourne (died 1367).
Edmund, who was summoned to Parliament as Lord Hastings in 1299.
Elizabeth who married Sir Roger de Grey, 1st Lord Grey (of Ruthin).^[1]

second wife:

Thomas de Hastings
Margaret de Hastings
Sir Hugh Hastings of Sutton (died 1347), married Margery Foliot (granddaughter of Jordan Foliot and of William de Braose). Had issue.^[2]

Joan de Munchensi currently lists his children with his first wife as:

William Hastings (1282 – 1311)
John Hastings, 2nd Baron Hastings (September 29, 1286 – January 20, 1325), married to Juliane de Leybourne (d. 1367)
Sir Hugh Hastings of Sutton (d. 1347)

Could someone familiar with this content please correct the errors? Thanks. — Reinyday, 02:41, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

^ Lundy, Darryl. "p. 4051 § 40502". The Peerage. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help)^{[unreliable source]}
^ Richardson, D. (2011) Magna Carta Ancestry 2nd Edition, pg 325 (via Google)

Just for clarity, Hastings's first wife was not Joan de Munchensi, but Joan's daughter Isabel de Valence.

It's true, as you say, that the children of the Hastings-Valence marriage (Joan's grandchildren) are listed differently on the two pages. Andrew Dalby 13:46, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Tretiz-1] Jambeck, K. K. (2005). Childhood in the Middle Ages And the Renaissance. p. 160. ISBN 978-3110184211. the work has been composed at the request of a lady, apparently Madame de Mountechensy

[Latin-2] Hunt, Tony (1991). Teaching and learning Latin in thirteenth-century England. Vol. 1. p. 12. ISBN 978-0859913379.

[3] Lundy, Darryl. "p. 4051 § 40502". The Peerage. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help)^{[unreliable source]}

[4] Richardson, D. (2011) Magna Carta Ancestry 2nd Edition, pg 325 (via Google)

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