Talk:Jim Watkins (businessman)/Archive 1

Archive 1

2channel is not an imageboard

Due to my COI I don't want to edit the article, but I just want to make you aware of it because I just noticed it GorillaWarfare. It is a textboard. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 21:16, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Psiĥedelisto: Good catch, thanks! Fixed. GorillaWarfare (talk) 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@GorillaWarfare: And probably the section heading should become Online anonymous communities as well. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 22:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah, good point. Will change. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Number of children

In his citizenship petition, published publicly in The Manila Times by a lawyer of his, (see last page) Watkins doesn't claim Ron at all, but rather another son, Sam Watkins. I think the number of his children is a matter of some debate, and we shouldn't state it as 1. What do you think, GorillaWarfare. Perhaps at least one or at least two. This is going to sound rather brash but I don't even think he knows how many there are. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 20:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I noticed this change this morning when checking my watchlist but forgot to do anything about it. GorillaWarfare (talk) 20:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I've changed it back to list Ron Watkins by name, which is in keeping with the advice at Template:Infobox person: Typically the number of children (e.g., 3); only list names of independently notable or particularly relevant children. Names may be preceded by a number to show total children and avoid implying that named children are the only offspring. For multiple entries, use an inline list. For privacy reasons, consider omitting the names of living children, unless notable. I think Ron Watkins satisfies the "particularly relevant" clause as he is mentioned by name several times in this article and in reliable sourcing. There's not a great solution for the issue of accidentally implying he is the only offspring, other than maybe writing "unknown" or something similar... though that kind of falls into implying that Jim Watkins himself doesn't know how many kids he has, something we shouldn't imply in-article without a solid source. I suppose we could remove the parameter entirely and just leave Ron to be mentioned in-article, if folks think that's a better solution.

I've also restored the image caption, since I think it's helpful with images of living people to note if the image is somewhat outdated. I also added that he is known for operating 2channel as well as 8chan, and changed "owner of... 8chan and 2channel" to "operator of" since there is some question about whether he is the rightful owner of 2channel or not. GorillaWarfare (talk) 20:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Suggest reordering of lead

@GorillaWarfare: (I have a COI.) I suggest reordering these two sentences in the lead:

He began providing domain and hosting services to 8chan in 2014, and became the site's official owner and operator the same year.^[2] Watkins became the operator of 2channel after he seized it in 2014 from its creator and original owner, Hiroyuki Nishimura.^[3][4]

to read instead (new words bolded):

In February 2014, Watkins became the operator of 2channel after he seized it from its creator and original owner, Hiroyuki Nishimura.^[3][4] He began providing domain and hosting services to 8chan later that year, and became the site's official owner and operator by year's end.^[2]

I think that chronological sorting is better. This is more up to you or any other interested editor, but I'd also suggest putting § 2channel above § 8chan in § Online anonymous communities for the same reason. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 12:41, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Those suggestions all make sense to me, implemented. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 15:47, 27 September 2021 (UTC)