Talk:Jim Maddin

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I'll fill in the page numbers and article titles shortly -- I wrote this page before Wiki-footnoting became simple. CJCurrie 23:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, no problem. DerekDD 19:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV notice

What about the article do you think is POV? You have to actually give a reason if you're going to put up a notice. CJCurrie 20:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Its a puff piece on Maddin. You gloss over everything controversial about the man that resulted in the citizens of Saskatoon rejecting him at an unprecedented rate in his re-election bid. Something lead up to him finishing a distant fourth, and considering how many mayor's have been easily re-elected by HUGE ratios in the past, this is very politically signifigant as far as the history of Saskatonian politics goes. You have a definite POV regarding Maddin suggesting bias, and I've tried to get you to either tone it down and be more objective, as well as getting you to source your info properly. Attributing something to a specific date in the Star Phoenix without linking to it is poor sourcing, and even lazy. Even you admitted on the talk page it isn't sourced to the correct Wikipedian "standards." One could say or quote any idea, and put any date of any newspaper in brackets to back up erroneous information. Even you know this.

I will give you a week to do something about it and you haven't. If you don't soon, I will have someone from Wikipedia look at it, and decide if your sourcing "method" is correct. It may be deleted. DerekDD 16:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's an interesting assessment, particularly in that I have indicated the controversial aspects of his tenure as mayor (and while I don't want to get involved in a pointless flamewar, I must disagree with your assessments concerning our respective NPOV efforts). Your point concerning the citations is valid, and I've already noted that I plan to correct the citations in the near future. I have no problem with others reviewing this page, and I'm quite certain that off-line newspaper entries are acceptable secondary sources. CJCurrie 22:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another dispute

Could DerekDD explain why he has twice removed a reference to Maddin's support of gay rights? I would tend to think this is important enough to warrant a mention.

Also, could Derek explain why he believes "was again disappointed" is NPOV wording? CJCurrie 02:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are insistent on including Maddin's support of gay rights because you have described yourself as gay and its an important issue to you personally. Does it deserve a mention in an information piece on Jim Maddin though? No. He contributed $2000 to a gay rights group.......this is insignifigant compared to his other accomplishments and other facts about his life, such as winning the mayoralty race in Saskatoon. Lets face it, he's not known specifically for this. You include it only because its a cause of your own and aren't objectively viewing this piece on Maddin. If he gave $2000 to the Heart and Stroke foundation, I highly doubt you would include that in the article on him, correct?

As for Maddin being disappointed, he most certainly was, especially the first time. CJCurrie, you need to face the fact that not only did he lose, but he lost even Jim Pankiw, a very controversial politician as you very well know. Finishing third in his first re-election bid was described by himself as very disappointing (to say the least) and here is an article describing his latest effort at getting elected civically, if you care to read it:

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/story.html?id=bcdb8a12-e327-4484-905e-2c5e37ec8a46

DerekDD 02:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your facts are wrong: I haven't identified myself as gay (or straight, for that matter). I favour inclusion of the reference because it's an significant piece of information ... and while I don't doubt that Maddin's loss was "disappointing" to him, such terminology doesn't meet the standard for inclusion on this forum. CJCurrie 04:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]