Talk:Jim Crow laws/Archive 2

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Hattie McDaniel

Please edit the section "African-American Life" where it says Hattie McDaniel is the first black to receive an Academy Award to something less inappropriate. I'd suggest "black person" as the correct nomenclature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.7.195.178 (talk) 15:26, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

sounds better indeed. changed 'black' to 'black person'. --Hannolans (talk) 13:03, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2019

Changes the line - "[W]ithin a decade... - to "Within a decade...

Very minor, the source has fixed the error that caused the "w" not to show on the pdf ItsLogicYT (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done The source cited has not in fact changed this, as the source is itself quoting someone else. The full quote is:

North Carolina had a well-educated, thriving black middle-class on the eve of disfranchisement; yet as a leading historian puts it, "[w]ithin a decade, the white supremacy campaign and disfranchisement had erased the image of the black middle class from the minds of white North Carolinians. "72

 DiscantX 23:00, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Jim Crow laws still on the books

According to this article in the Huffington Post several Jim Crow laws are still on the books but can't be enforced because of the constitutional amendments, should this be mentioned somewhere in this article? --Donald Trung (talk) 21:26, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Content of Jim Crow laws

wThe article has plenty of information about the origins and ending of Jim Crow laws, but very little on the content of the laws themselves, or what they required. I was hopping to find information on whether churches and labor unions were required to be segregated, but there's no information on the laws themselves.24.97.72.102 (talk) 17:09, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Minor edit proposed for summary intro

There's an existing line: "Enacted by white Democratic-dominated state legislatures..." I suggest that saying it was done by Democrats, while technically true, is palpably misleading, without any context. I propose something along the lines of:

"Enacted by the Conservative controlled, Democratic state legislatures..."

Hilltop hermit (talk) 07:15, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Your own source disagrees with your "Conservative / far-right" Democratic edits. Misleading edit.

Brainsnatcher (talk) 12:12, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Couldn't disagree more strongly. You are proposing to MAKE the article misleading by claiming that Jim Crow Democrats were "conservative". The reality is that Democrats of the era leaned socialist, veering particularly in that direction under Woodrow Wilson. Socialism before the civil rights movement was overtly racist, embracing eugenics. For example, one of FDR's Supreme Court nominees, Hugo Black, was a Klansman and a socialist.

You offer no rationale for associating Jim Crow with anything that meets either a past or present definition of "conservative".

The article is already trying to disassociate the Democratic Party with Jim Crow through the consistent use of "white Democrats" instead of just "Democrats". Even this smells unduly partisan. Language should be consistent, whether positive or negative, in keeping with NPOV.

Shamanix (talk) 22:02, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2019

This article has obviously been edited in order to make a political point. A bogus one at that. It repeatedly uses the word democrat and Democratic is association with Jim Crow and paints Republicans as the saviors of Blacks. This is not the case and it certainly is not the case today. This is a common practice by GOP pundits, Dinesh D'souza is famous for it, and amounts to erasing the present and replacing it with the past. It's dishonest and an insult to Blacks today. It's a form of modern Jim Crow like voter suppression. The article fails to note that the Democrats it cites, the Dixiecrats, ALL moved over to the GOP when the Democratic Party took on inclusion and anti-discrimination as a party goal. All the descendants of the Dixiecrats are now Republicans.

This article should be edited in order to take it's subliminal political messaging out and let he be just a historical bit. 2602:306:32A5:C6F0:94FA:A65C:A0DB:2020 (talk) 17:10, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I'd be against this. The term "Dixiecrat" seems to have been unknown, or at least very rarely used, before the 1940s, and the politicians concerned were members of the same Democratic Party that nowadays rejects their racist views. So it is unhistoric to suggest that the Jim Crow laws weren't enacted by "real" Democrats. Thomas Peardew (talk) 18:56, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Our lies about Jim Crow need to stop here @ Wikipedia.

The articles about Jim Crow, 1789 Constitutional Convention and Reconstruction need a lot of work and are perpetuate many of the lies that currently are causing conflict. Please refer to: “ Reconstruction, America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877” by Eric Fonner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.226.130.22 (talk) 20:57, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm a fan of Eric Foner's work! It would be helpful if you could point more directly to any issues you see here that seem inaccurate, as you seem to have read the book and could likely help with sourcing for any edits that are necessary. SomerIsland (talk) 05:10, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Is Massachusetts a Southern State?

The first sentence in this article says that Jim Crow refers to southern states. But the first sentence in the Wikipedia article "List of Jim Crow law examples by state" under Massachusetts says: The term "Jim Crow Law" was first used in 1841 in reference to a Massachusetts law that required the railways to provide a separate car for black passengers and the "separate but equal" doctrine, Massachusetts.[21][22] Are both statements ok? N0w8st8s (talk)N0w8st8s — Preceding undated comment added 09:02, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2021

Change "white Southern Democrat-dominated state legislatures" to "Democrat-dominated legislatures in the south" 47.147.6.87 (talk) 20:04, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Please seek consensus for this change. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:23, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

"Jim Crow laws were enforced until 1965"

Is this a true statement? For example public schools in Houston, Texas didn't begin to desegregate until 1970. Despite the Brown v. Board of Education ruling of 1954 that ruled school segregation as unconstitutional.

References

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Craigboy (talk • contribs) 16:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2021

Grammar mistake. Change "The exclusion of African Americans was also found support in the Republican lily-white movement." to "The exclusion of African Americans also found support in the Republican lily-white movement." Wellivea1 (talk) 02:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done Good catch, Wellivea1! Thanks. DMacks (talk) 02:20, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Image of sign from South Africa should be replaced

The image - titled "Sign from the Apartheid era in South Africa: FOR USE BY WHITE PERSONS. THESE PUBLIC PREMISES AND THE AMENITIES THEREOF HAVE BEEN RESERVED FOR THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF WHITE PERSONS. By Order Provincial Secretary" - should be replaced because this article is about an issue of United States history, not South Africa.Meakakauwikiwiki (talk) 16:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

The sign is part of the sidebar, that is for discrimination globally, not just USA or South Africa. Red Jay (talk) 18:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

References

Does not explain term origin adequately

The title term is not explained clearly as in; how was the term “Jim crow” became conjoined with “laws”.

Lightly touched on in “etymology” but the main article body should explain the term itself, not just its common definitional usage. Without the etymology section the article could just describe “American racist laws”. But it is about “Jim crow laws”. A term used almost always without explanation.

As an English person I came to this wp article for an explanation of how the term came to be, not just a usage definition with examples. Jennpublic (talk) 20:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Republicans Democrats vs Conservatives Liberals

Please adjust the verbiage of Democrats and Republicans to conservatives and liberals. Based on the time frame being referenced, it’s easy to misinterpret today’s liberal Democrat or today’s conservative republican with history’s liberal Republicans or conservative Democrats. This article currently doesn’t make any distinction.

I disagree. the division was mostly along party lines. Inside the Dem party, liberals and conservatives agreed. Inside the GOP race was also a factor. Rjensen (talk) 22:20, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Improper source to support a point

I believe the use of Bruce Bartlett's "Wrong on Race: The Democratic Party's Buried Past"(Citation 3) is an improper and poor quality citation to support the statement quoted below made at the beginning of the article.

"These laws were enacted in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by white Southern Democrat-dominated state legislatures to disenfranchise and remove political and economic gains made by black people during the Reconstruction period.[3]"

Wrong on Race states in its introduction that it's goal is to improve the public's perception of the Republican Party with regards to their history on racial equality and to highlight past efforts by the 19th and 20th century Democratic Party to undo, prevent, or curtail civil rights gains by African Americans. I'm don't think that the information in the book is necessarily incorrect, but it uses that information to forward a political agenda.

I think this citation should be replaced with one that is not expressly intended to sway political opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.132.11.11 (talk) 15:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

segregated US army inside Europa WW2

Hello, i miss information about the army it self. afaik the US army that was stationed in Limburg, the Nethherlands, was a segregated army. The black soldiers were not allowed to fight, but had to feed the troops and perhaps be hospik. Where is that information and is that part off Jim Crow afa the name stand for racism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.149.83.125 (talk) 20:26, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Confederate Memorial Day

I've added some context to the Confederate Memorial Day article, along with sources, as it's been well-established by historians that the holiday was originally promoted during the Jim Crow era to reinforce white supremacy, and revived during the Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s (much like the concurrent rise of Confederate monuments). There's one editor who is insisting on removing this sourced material. I would prefer some editors get involved before it gets too ugly, because I have some experience with editors who want to removed what they consider "negative" items from an article, and I think a third or fourth party might be helpful here. Wes sideman (talk) 13:38, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

What state is crow from

What state is crow from 2601:280:CB02:5EAC:6965:4D72:2441:BF10 (talk) 14:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

"Jim Crow on Steroids"

The current president of the United States has stated that there are modern laws in Georgia that are "Jim Crow on steroids". I thought I might get some information about these modern Jim Crow laws here, but I don't see a section about them. Can anyone add that to the article? 67.60.231.114 (talk) 05:03, 16 November 2022 (UTC)