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Chinese name

Please stop the revert war and discuss the name issue here. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by RosinDebow (talk • contribs) 03:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is a discussion here. Badagnani 03:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Chen" the surname is placed where people would normally expect the surname to be - last. There is no room for confusion here. No one will be confused. (This point was already made at Template talk:Chinese name and you said it was a good point.) If that be the case, then everyone with a non-Christian name or given name that also be a surname (e.g. Franklin Roosevelt) deserve a template. --Jiang 03:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It may appear clear to you because you are skilled and knowledgeable about the Chinese language, but it is far from clear to many readers who are not. There is a great variety of Chinese naming conventions, which are often left up to personal preference, and it is certainly not clear in this case which is the surname. There are a number of multiple-syllable Chinese surnames and nowhere in the article does it state which is her surname. If you insist, against all logic, on removing the template, please insert (surname: Chen) in the first paragraph, after her name, rather than deleting entirely, which is entirely unhelpful to those who do not know Chinese well. Badagnani 04:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If the edit war continues, I'm going to request protection for this page, because the edits are unproductive and making a mess of the history. I noticed that you two have avoided violating the three revert rule (WP:3RR) but in my opinion the spirit of the rule has been violated. For what it's worth, as someone who is not skilled or knowledgeable in the Chinese language, I agree with Badagnani that it isn't obvious what the surname is. The order is not consistent across Wikipedia, sometimes because of historical convention (e.g. Mao Zedong). So I think in cases like this, the surname should be indicated, though not in the heavy handed way of the template. RosinDebow 05:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It may be possible simply to compromise, and add text (as existed before the template was added) just after her name saying "(surname Chen)." This would clarify things and hopefully satisfy the editor who objects so strongly to the template s/he feels "disrupts" the article so greatly. More clarification is always better. Badagnani 06:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the proposed change. RosinDebow 06:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]