Talk:Jhoanna (singer)

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Requested move 31 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved.The prev. undiscussed move is reverted.The current request stands subsequently rejected.No policy-based retionale/explanation for making the film the primary target.(non-admin closure)

Jhoanna is automatically a singer.

Kuya Montano (talk) 03:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This request is malformed. HueMan1 (talk) 04:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This request is not malform. So Jhoanna is automatically a singer. So please change to Jhoanna without the word singer. Kuya Montano (talk) 05:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there are no other notable Jhoannas, this should be primary topic and should not he disambiguated. The question is if she is independently notable given that a great majority of the references are YouTube, from ABS-CBN (failing WP:RS), or primarily talks about Bini or the reality show (failing WP:GNG). If the situation doesn't improve in the next 24 hours, I'd be redirecting both to Bini, and if reverted, WP:AFD. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the creator of this article, I made the decision on the belief that she has the most independent activities and notability outside the group. For further clarification, the sources in the Bini section appeared to have been taken from the group article. There is an ongoing effort to find links independent of the home network sources and would appreciate if a longer window is accepted. Borgenland (talk) 11:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move this to draft then if you need a longer window. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't mind, I would also like to notify interested editors AstrooKai, Royiswariii, Orojackson56 and Indo360 of this development as they are also heavily involved in similar articles. Borgenland (talk) 11:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. If other Bini members have their own articles now and are at similar states, this is a problem. I remember the days when Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen had just one article amomg themselves for years as they didn't have independent coverages until they got legal (LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 11:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! Yes, I have noticed that similar individual articles of Bini members seemed to be a matter of WP:COPYWITHIN. While I try my best trying to resolve this by rewriting the contents of the articles so that they don't seem to be an entire copy paste from another article, I don't have the time to start since school season has begun. AstrooKai │ Talk 12:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I made WP:BOLD removals of copied content from all 8. Indeed some of them are in danger of AFD but I stand by my gut feeling that some of them are notable enough at this stage. Request that such nominations be made on a case-by-case basis and not collectively. Borgenland (talk) 12:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I have no problems with copied content from mother articles; it's just that none of the Bini members are independently notable. Bini is undisputedly notable, but are the individual members are?

I'd be reviewing each Bini member article. If the supposed professional activities are held in conjuction with other Bini members as a team, that's not really independently notable. I would highly suggest to move this first to draftspace as (1) this was done in haste, (2) most Wikipedians maintaining the article may be busy, (3) WP:SNOWBALL each is independently notable, (4) sources are wanting. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since no one is responding to the request to move Jhoanna (singer) to Jhoanna, I will move it automatically. Thank you for understanding. Kuya Montano (talk) 00:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I would like to ask for clarification. The result of this request was "not moved", but the article proceeded to be moved from Jhoanna (singer) to Jhoanna.

Also, wouldn't it be better if it was named "Jhoanna Robles" as you suggested at User talk:Kuya Montano#July 2024 instead of just "Jhoanna"? AstrooKai (Talk • Contribs) 02:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is noted and thank you so much. Kuya Montano (talk) 02:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just reverted. The article was moved improperly. Furthermore, the absence of replies is not equivalent to consensus. Borgenland (talk) 07:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]