Talk:Jhala (clan)

This article should be more detailed regarding history, heritage and culture of Jhala clan. and it should mention that Jhala is one of the 36 clans of Rajputs. and that their spelling differ based on region between Jhala, Zala and Jauvla. all being belonging to same family. I would request administrator to provide me with access to enrich the page with elaborate details regarding the clan with correct and valid sourcing ofcourse. .

Article title

The article was recently moved from "Jhala (clan)" to "Jhala clan". However, the clan is not named "Jhala clan" in the article, but Jhala, and disambiguations use brackets, so I moved the article back. Hekerui (talk) 13:35, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

JHALA (clan) is VADNAGRA NAGARS as well from JUNAGADH - GUJARAT. Co incidentally spelling of JHALAS in English is same for both JHALA - NAGAR and JHALA - RAJPUT therefore several people get confused.

About : JHALA (clan) - VADNAGRA NAGARS (Brahmins) from Junagadh city of Gujarat. They are devotees of Lord Shiva and Lord Sri Krishna. When Lord Shiva got married to Shri.Parvati at that time Lord Shiva gifted a piece of land named as "HATKESHWARA" now called as "VADNAGAR" in Gujarat to NAGARS (Bharamins). Subsequently over past several years people from JHALA - VADNAGARA NAGAR community migrated to Junagadh - City of Gujarat and made that as base city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.91.136.234 (talk) 10:26, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Sourcing

This does not say they are called Makwana, merely that they claim descent from someone bearing that name. - Sitush (talk) 09:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Harpal dev was the last makwana rajput whose descendants were called Jhala. R2dra (talk) 11:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Makwanas were originally from Kutch, driven eastward into Saurashtra and the rest of Gujarat by the warring Sumras of lower Sindh. They were a highly superstitious people whom, after some silly event transpired, decided to call themselves "Jhalas", which in Gujarati means 'snatched away'. This is the truth. Jhalas and Makwanas really are the same. I've got no reason to lie here and nearly every single source that mentions Jhalas, states they are the same as Makwanas. ShamusHarper (talk) 09:19, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

See WP:OR and provide some reliable sources for review, then. We are not taking your word for it, nor using Raj sources, nor deploying synthesis. There certainly are snippet views on Google Books which suggests that Makwana and Jhala are the same thing, but there are also snippet views that distinguish them and other that say the Jhala are just one branch. - Sitush (talk) 09:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

We can't take your word for it either. Provide reliable sources which state that 'Jhala are just one branch' and not Makwana like you claim. Also, I left several non-Raj sources: Source 1 Source 2 Source 3

^So it isn't an opinion, nor is it original research like you're slandering.

Furthermore, I do not agree with your opinion on Raj sources. You cannot just deem all of the 200+ years of 'Raj' sources as racist because of personal reasons. Honestly, that sort of thinking stems from misguided nationalism. Ideally, Raj sources should be taken on a case by case basis.ShamusHarper (talk) 00:33, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately for your opinion, WP:CONSENSUS is that those Raj sources are unreliable, that Singhji is ditto, and the the census reports etc of the 1960s (and also the People of India studies of the 1990s) are plagiarised from Raj sources. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but you cannot override consensus. - Sitush (talk) 23:13, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

User:Sitush/CasteSources is a work in progress but it may assist you. - Sitush (talk) 23:47, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Explain to me why Singhji is unreliable. And according to the Consensus page you linked to, it can change- "Consensus can change Policy:

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^Can you link me to this discussion where this concensus to not use Raj sources, was formed? ShamusHarper (talk) 01:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

The Raj thing has come out of hundreds of discussions at hundreds of articles - I think I have already said this but there have also been discussions at venues such as WP:RSN and WP:HISTRS will also assist you. The Singhji thing has evolved from rather less discussions, beginning with one at WT:INB. Can you find me an academic source that cites him? That is a good test. There is no need to directly quote policy at me, thanks: I know what I am doing and if you think consensus is likely to change on the issue then I'm afraid your optimism is wildly misplaced. - Sitush (talk) 06:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

zala is not koli. you are totally wrong. why are you spreading wrong information.? visit the katosan state ane manu jhala pricely state they give you right information ok. jhala is not koli. theay are rajput .

Tejendrasinh k darbar (talk) 16:45, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Zala is not Koli they are Rajput

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=jXpzWlPpE1cC&pg=PA9&dq=jhala+rajput&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZz6vUgt3oAhV5xjgGHYYxCOEQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=jhala%20koli&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by NNSinfo (talk • contribs) 04:47, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

There is a lot of details taht are lacking in this article. It simply talks about the Jhalas after their arrival in Gujarat. However jhala's history could be traced back to all the way till 5th century ehen they had established their rule in current day Sindh and Multan. The articles also slumps on a lot of princely states and estates of the dynasty. I'd like administrator to provide me with editing privilages so I could add a lot more information from correct sources ofcourse. Ajeet Sinh (talk) 13:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Expansion

Sitush and Utcursch, I have placed a fantastic open access book in Further Reading section. I am inviting you people to expand and work on this article if you find it interesting. I invited because such good quality sources on single subject are not easily available. Regards,--Nizil (talk) 13:09, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

It does look rather good, thanks. I'm dealing with other stuff at the moment but doubtless it will be picked up. I realise it is open access but how weird that I turned in my Wikipedia Library De Gruyter subscription only last week because I'd found it to be of far less use for caste etc articles than I had expected. - Sitush (talk) 13:13, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2020

jhala is not koli . They are rajputs. Please change it. Don't mix koli and rajputs. Remove the false information. 2405:204:8589:1E84:9ECF:5AD4:29FC:EF45 (talk) 06:36, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Also please read the above discussion on this topic and provide a reliable source for the change you would like made. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 08:17, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Jhala is a rajput. Not a koli, change a false information Mitrajsinh zala (talk) 11:09, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2020

JHALA (clan) is VADNAGRA NAGARS as well from JUNAGADH - GUJARAT. Co incidentally spelling of JHALAS in English is same for both JHALA - NAGAR and JHALA - RAJPUT therefore several people get confused.

About : JHALA (clan) - VADNAGRA NAGARS (Brahmins) from Junagadh city of Gujarat. They are devotees of Lord Shiva and Lord Sri Krishna. When Lord Shiva got married to Shri.Parvati at that time Lord Shiva gifted a piece of land named as "HATKESHWARA" now called as "VADNAGAR" in Gujarat to NAGARS (Bharamins). Subsequently over past several years people from JHALA - VADNAGARA NAGAR community migrated to Junagadh - City of Gujarat and made that as base city. JareshJhala (talk) 10:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Thjarkur (talk) 11:47, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2021

2402:8100:386E:BA65:1:2:169E:2C44 (talk) 21:17, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Jhala rajput are not kolis the are warriors class of vedic kshatriya

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:43, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2021

2402:8100:386E:D647:1:1:FCA6:8FFE (talk) 12:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Jhala rajput was kshtriya and koli was shudra so delete koli name in page infromation

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 November 2023

During the 12th century, there was a war between Maharaja of Kirtigarh, Shri Kesar dev Makwana and emporer of sindh, Hamir Sumra. Only prince Kesardevji and Harpal devji survived that war. Eventually makawanas lost the war. Prince Harpal dev decided to hid him self in the woods. During his stay in jungle, he learned different arts and black magic from the rishi munies who were living there. He decided to get his kingdom back. He moved to ‘Anhilpur patan’ (Gujarat). He decided to stay at the place of hi relative Karnadev solanki. Due to his mastery in archery and sword fitting, he got the place in Raj Darbar of Anhilpur Patan. King of the state was concerned about the rebellious leader name ‘Babaro Bhut’. To test his bravery, Karna Dev(the king) sent Harpal dev to defeat Babaro.

Harpal dev won the battle against Babaro and with his great intellectuals skill, he got successful to make friendship with Babro. Babaro and his men, then rebuilt the fort of Patan. As a reward of Harpaldev's work, Karna dev gave him some villages near Patadi. Harpal dev got married to Shakti, the daughter of Karnadev solanki who helped him at initial stage. Shakti is the mother goddess of Jhalas today.

Gotra: Markandey Sakha: Madhyadini Vansh: Suryavansh Kuldevi: Shree Marmara Devi Janmadatri Devi: Shree Adhya Shakti Devi Ishtdev: Chaturbhuj Vishnu Mahadev: Triambakeshwar Jyotirlinga (Dwarka) Ved: Yajurved Aradhya Devi: Shree Hinglaj Mata Aradhya Dev: Suryanarayan Dev Sahayak Devi: Bhairavi Devi Mulpurush: Kundamalji 202.160.175.28 (talk) 08:24, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 10:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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