Talk:Jewish views on sin

Severe problem with this article

Right from the first sentence, this article fails to distinguish between the actions of a Jew and the actions of a non-Jew. Even according to strict Jewish interpretation, non-Jews are not bound by the 613 mitzvot. Zero^talk 23:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing introduction

The introduction is written confusingly, especially towards the end. There are one or two minor typos; the last paragraphs might need to be reorganized altogether and written from a more objective and less prose-y standpoint. (For example, the last bit of the introduction talks about God himself and His opinions, rather than the opinions of different branches of Judaism.) I'm not well-informed on this topic nor a regular contributor to the Wiki, so I'm unsure how to help. 108.75.104.63 (talk) 08:53, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The concept of "sin" as discussed in this article begins from a decidedly more Christian than Jewish epistemology, casting doubt on the entire conversation

I find this article from its very title through its conclusion to be suspiciously non-Jewish in its take on "sin." It assumes certain definitions in Hebrew mean "sin," when in fact they mean a misdeed or a violation of Jewish law -- which would be more in keeping with the topic overall. "Sin," the English word, is fundamentally Christian in origin. Not meaning to cast ad hominem aspersions, still, it's interesting that many if not most -- or even all -- of its authors are not Jews. Many citations derive from theological studies conducted by Christian commentators. It's surprising to me that no one has called out this article as worthy of further investigation to determine the authenticity of many of the claims made herein based on genuine Judaic epistemology. Appropriating Jewish "sin" and transforming it into Christian sin would be a fowl [one carried out by chickens? --70.79.64.157 (talk) 16:24, 22 October 2017 (UTC)] deed.Cyberoid (talk) 22:49, 12 October 2016 (UTC) Cyberoid[reply]

Now, I don't know about the difference between the Jewish and the Christian definition of sin, but I can tell what a badly written article looks like. This article repeats banalities in a highly unstructurized manner over and over and looks more like a scattered collection of partly mystical, partly anecdotic tales and legends than a systematic, scholarly, enyclopedic treatment of the Jewish concept of sin. First off, the lead needs all the Hebrew nouns and verbs associated with the concept of sin, ordered by how important or central they are in relation to the other terms. Then a first section on etymology for every term ("missing the mark" and such), then one section each on every category. What's currently listed under Terminology as well as States is actually a lot of background material on Jewish ethics and morality in general, not specifically related to sin. So far, the article can't even make itself clear upon the most basic things: Why is hattath a "zoomorphism"? What is "orthopraxy"? Etc... --2003:71:4E33:E576:D161:9B02:FBB2:87CF (talk) 02:40, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs major revisions. Many of the sources not scholarly, much of it is written in an un-encyclopediac tone, and the style needs work. I may get to it, but it's the middle of the night as for me as I write this comment. I should be able to clean it up a bit sometime soon though. JonathanHopeThisIsUnique (talk) 08:31, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]