Talk:Jewish resistance in German-occupied Europe

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Odd wording

Due to the careful organization and overwhelming military might of the Nazi German State and its supporters, many Jews were able to resist the killings.

I don't get it. Because of good organisation _AND_ military might of Nazis, Jews were able? Shouldn't it be _Despite_ ... or due to careful organisation, despite overhelming... or due to careful organisation and... many Jews were_N't_ able... ?Szopen 12:09, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

How about a separate article about the (international) camp resistance?

Which was more than these uprisings, btw (for example, there were plans for a general uprising in Auschwitz). — Preceding unsigned comment added by HanzoHattori (talk • contribs) 11:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Article title

"Jewish resistance movement" sounds extremely vague -- I feel like there ought to be something that indicates that this is a movement specifically against the Nazis, etc. How about "Jewish Holocaust resistance movement" or something?

Also, the title "Jewish resistance movement" makes it sound like it was one unified, organized movement, when in reality this article documents a number of independent uprisings; it should be titled to reflect that. Kane5187 23:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

IMO, Jewish resistance movement during World War II is better. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 23:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Would you mind shifting it to Jewish resistance during World War II so, as I pointed it, it doesn't imply that it was one single movement? Kane5187 02:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 03:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to keep changing ideas on you, but what about Jewish resistance during the Holocaust? (I only noticed because of the category Category:Jewish resistance during the Holocaust). This might also be better because it doesn't restrict the topic from 1939-1945, because discrimination began in 1933 and the Holocaust around 1938. Kane5187 18:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

The Holocaust began in 1941; this article covers pre-war activities and wartime resistance not specifically against the Holocaust, so I've changed it. Yohan euan o4 (talk) 21:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Change redirect to disambiguation page

If there are no objections I am changing redirect so that it directs to The Jewish Resistance Movement (disambiguation), considering there is another page - The Jewish Resistance Movement. Israelish 15:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Change regarding "Polish collaborators"

I decided to delete the phrase "and their Polish collaborators" in the phrase "and the Jewish Military Union attacked the Germans and their Polish collaborators" in the "in ghettos" chapter. The forces which entered the ghetto and were fought by the Jewish resistance where German-only, there were no Polish collaborators among those forces. If you claim that there were, cite historical sources in support of your view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.34.28 (talk) 01:21, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Articles contradicting

In the Holocaust article it says that virtually there was no resistance and in this article it says there were resistance everywhere. I don't think there was much resistance. I think the whole picture should be painted instead of saying Jews resisted everywhere, which is not the case. There was no resistance. Read the Holocaust article 67.190.164.74 (talk) 13:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Cut text

I have removed the following text from the article because it has little obvious relevance to where it is currently located - or indeed to this article. It's a relatively small thing and could easily be summed up in a sentance or two if a "France" section was added. Despite being unsourced, it is quite good and could certainly be moved elsewhere.

“ The Algerian Resistance was led by José Aboulker and Roger Carcassonne. On October 23, 1942, Aboulker was among the Algerian resistance leaders who met with General Mark Clark in Morocco. The Americans agreed to supply weapons and radios, which were landed on November 5. On the night of the Allied landings in North Africa, November 8, 1942, Aboulker led the occupation of the main strategic points in Algiers by 377 members of the Resistance (315 of them were Jewish), seizing the central police station, with his deputy Bernard Karsenty and the help of Guy Calvet and Superintendent Achiary.

Led by their group leaders, all of the Resistance fighters, with the exception of the reserve officers, neutralized the command centers, occupied strategic positions, and stopped the military officials and civilian supporters of the Vichy government, starting with General Alphonse Juin, the Commander-in-chief, and Admiral François Darlan.

In the morning, when the XIXth Army Corps of the Vichy Government tried to mobilize to oppose the Allied landings, it had to concentrate its efforts on the Resistance fighters rather than Allied forces. With the landings around Algiers having been completed, Aboulker — anxious not to spill French blood — asked the group leaders to evacuate their positions. Using Resistance fighters from the evacuated positions, he and the group leader Captain Pillafort organized barricades to hinder the mobilization of the Vichy military. As a result, the forces of the Vichy government did not attack the central police station, the last place with insurgents, that evening. The confusion created by the so-called “putsch” of 8 November 1942 helped the Allies land almost without opposition and then encircle Algiers. Admiral Darlan surrendered Algiers that afternoon, and Allied troops entered the city at 8 pm.

On December 24, 1942, Darlan, who had named himself High Commissioner and maintained Vichy policies with the support of General Henri Giraud, was killed by a 20-year-old monarchist, Fernand Bonnier de La Chapelle, who was executed on December 26. Giraud succeeded Darlan and ordered the arrest of Aboulker and 26 other Resistance leaders for complicity in Darlan's assassination, and they were immediately deported to prison camps in southern Algeria.

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Regards, —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:41, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Jewish resistance under Nazi rule

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Jewish resistance under Nazi rule's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "BBC1":

• From Aribert Heim: "Nazi doctor 'is alive in Chile'". BBC. 2008-07-08. Retrieved 2008-07-08.
• From War crimes in occupied Poland during World War II: "Our century's greatest achievement". BBC News. 1998-12-09.
• From The Holocaust in Belgium: Williams, Althea; Ehrlich, Sarah (19 April 2013). "Escaping the train to Auschwitz". BBC News. Retrieved 22 April 2013.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 17:12, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Resistance

Could we add different ways of Jewish resistance that were used in Eastern and Western Europe in the introduction? I read an article by scholar Yehuda Bauer, "Jewish Resistance and Passivity in the Face of the Holocaust"and he introduced armed and unarmed resistance.

Also, could we add the reason why Jews failed to resist in the section "Ghettos across German-occupied Poland"? Bauer also gave the reason why they failed to resist.

If anyone wants to comment on these changes, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page.

Vicky980617 (talk) 05:38, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

References

Hello Vicky980617, and welcome to Wikipedia. In accordance with Wikipedia's Manual of Style, the introduction, or lead section, of an article should summarize its most important contents. See WP:LEAD. Please add whatever you can to any part of this article; Wikipedia encourages editors to Be bold. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:44, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Vicky980617, the footnote you give is to a Wikipedia page. Surely you have a more scholarly source in mind? Can you share the reference with us? Otherwise, your proposed changes sound promisingChapmansh (talk) 22:55, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

[1] Xx236 (talk) 08:46, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

100 000 Jewish soldiers in the Polish army 1939

http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/communities/trzebinia/jews_in_the_army.asp Xx236 (talk) 08:17, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

It was one of the most important forms of anti-Nazi fight of Jews, at least till 1941. Unfortunately the Polish army got very little help from free world to prevent the Holocaust.Xx236 (talk) 08:44, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Ghetto uprising

Ghetto uprising lists several uprisings and several smaller fights. Is the source of "100" reliable (a foundation)? Xx236 (talk) 08:32, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

the study of Jewish resistance to German rule is considered an important aspect of the study of the Holocaust.

• unsourced
• any aspect of the study of the Holocaust is important. Xx236 (talk) 08:35, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

did resistance soldiers have weapons in the start or did they steal them when they blew up trains? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.16.211.231 (talk) 00:27, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hoping to Expand on Some Concepts Surrounding Spiritual Resistance

I am planning on expanding the discussion of the “sheep to the slaughter” myth under the Concepts and definitions section as well as adding a section regarding “passive and spiritual resistance” to the Types of resistance section.

I will be using Holocaust survivor, historian, and member of the Council of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Nechama Tec’s essay “Facts, Omissions, and Distortions” as well as historian and college professor/dean Richard Middleton-Kaplan’s essay “The Myth of Jewish Passivity” to explain the scholarly argument that Jews resisted the Nazis spiritually in ways such as practicing their faith and performing Jewish plays and songs after such actions were made illegal by Nazi legislature. Aside from examples of passive/spiritual resistance, I plan on explaining the scholarly argument behind the concept; that resisting the annihilation of one’s individuality, one’s culture, and one's will to live was a form of active defiance against the Nazis.

I will also be referencing Middleton-Kaplan’s academic journal as well as author and editor Patrick Henry’s introduction to the book Jewish Resistance Against the Nazis to expand on the origins, falsehoods, and relation to the Hebrew connotation of the “lamb to the slaughter” myth. While the article briefly mentions the idea of Jews in the Holocaust being viewed as sheep led to the slaughter, both this article and the embedded article titled “Like sheep to the slaughter” are missing the traditional Hebrew connotation of the phrase which refers to a desperate plea towards an absent or unmoving God. I also plan on adding a discussion of the historical finding that the “lamb to the slaughter myth” coincides with the myth of Jewish passivity and the lack of historical coverage on unarmed acts of Jewish resistance.

I envision my changes totaling between 250 and 400 words. If anyone wants to comment on these changes, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page. Jewbacca26 (talk) 23:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)