Talk:Jersey City Museum

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Original research

Wikipedia:No original research provides that information be backed by references per Wikipedia:Verifiability. Speculation about collection, exhibitions not mentioned in sources.Djflem (talk) 20:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

JC XXX Pompidou references

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Djflem (talk) 16:48, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Morrill, Aaron (November 29, 2023). "Though City Won't Say It, Pompidou x Could Cost Over 16M a Year to Operate". Jersey City Times.
^ Morrill, Aaron (February 22, 2023). "Mayor Travels in Secret to Paris with Council-Members and Department Heads". Jersey City Times.
^ Heinis, John (March 9, 2023). "Jersey City releases list of donors that gave over $1k each to group that paid for Paris trip".
^ McCall, Tris (November 27, 2022). "Jersey City's Planned Centre Pompidou is Unnecessary". Jersey City Times.
^ Morrill, Aaron (June 28, 2022). "Report: Pompidou was the Brainchild of Developer Charles Kushner". Jersey City Times.
^ Staff, Jersey City Times (February 23, 2024). "McGreevey Says He Opposes Pompidou x". Jersey City Times.

Short description

@Revirvlkodlaku, is there a good reason why we aren't including the dates in the short description? I changed the short description to "Art museum in New Jersey (1901–2010)" per WP:SDDATES. I have no objection to adding "US" to the short description, but it seems strange that we aren't including the dates.

As to your summary here, in which you claimed I was edit warring, it was not an edit war. I reverted your edit once (now twice). WP:EW says that "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions". If you decide to revert my latest edit, I won't object, as I really do want to avoid an actual edit war. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius, in response to your latest revert, you are absolutely edit warring. I reverted your first edit, which is part of BRD, at which point you should have started this discussion instead of reverting back. Additionally, your edit summary, "I think this is better", is inadequate.

My reason for reverting your first edit, as I mentioned in the edit summary, is that the previous s/d is more succinct and additionally, it mentions the country that New Jersey is in, thus avoiding Americentrism—the assumption that everyone knows where New Jersey is. Lastly, the lifespan of an institution isn't typically included in a short description. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My first revert was not edit warring, since I didn't repeatedly revert your edit at that point. WP:BRD says that discussion is one of several strategies in which a consensus can be reached, not the main or only way of doing so. I opened this discussion after you reverted my edit the second time.

In any case, in the second half of my edit summary, I cited WP:SDDATES—my edit summary wasn't "I think the previous short description is better", it was "I think it is better because it includes the dates per WP:SDDATES". We absolutely do include the lifespans of institutions in short descriptions. There is another guideline, WP:SDAVOID, which says avoid time-specific adjectives like "former", "retired", "late", "defunct", "closed", "current", "new", "recent", "planned", "future", etc. The previous short description was "Former art museum in New Jersey, US", which doesn't really tell us when the museum operated.

Also, like I said above, I don't mind if you add back "US" to the short description. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added back US to the short description, as well as to the lead. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius, for some reason, I missed the "per WP:SDDATES" part of your summary; apologies for that.

Additionally, I wasn't aware of WP:SDAVOID.

I'm not sure if the operational period of a museum counts as a "dated historical event", but I'll concede your version of the s/d. Cheers! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Revirvlkodlaku, no problem, and I should apologize as well. In hindsight, I should have opened a discussion anyway, after your first revert; that would have cleared up the confusion here. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Museum of Jersey City History

Template:Distinguish explains: The "distinguish" template produces a hatnote to point out to our readers the existence of one or more articles whose title(s) is, or are, similar to the page in question. It is used in cases where the distinction between the titles is generally obvious and does not need further explanation. It is appropriate in this case since the Jersey City Museum is similar and indeed did once function as the historical museum for city. Djflem (talk) 16:51, 24 August 2024 (UTC) See: https://jcitytimes.com/museum-of-jersey-city-history-is-one-step-closer-to-reality/ Djflem (talk) 16:56, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Djflem, your edit makes sense now that you've explained it. I understand the purpose of the disambiguation template, and the extra context is helpful. In future, I would ask that you not revert on the assumption that you are correct, with a curt comment such as "take it to talk page", as if the onus was on the person reverting your edit to start a discussion. That onus was on you, and thank you for proceeding to start it. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 05:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Morrill, Aaron (November 29, 2023). "Though City Won't Say It, Pompidou x Could Cost Over 16M a Year to Operate". Jersey City Times.

[2] Morrill, Aaron (February 22, 2023). "Mayor Travels in Secret to Paris with Council-Members and Department Heads". Jersey City Times.

[3] Heinis, John (March 9, 2023). "Jersey City releases list of donors that gave over $1k each to group that paid for Paris trip".

[4] McCall, Tris (November 27, 2022). "Jersey City's Planned Centre Pompidou is Unnecessary". Jersey City Times.

[5] Morrill, Aaron (June 28, 2022). "Report: Pompidou was the Brainchild of Developer Charles Kushner". Jersey City Times.

[6] Staff, Jersey City Times (February 23, 2024). "McGreevey Says He Opposes Pompidou x". Jersey City Times.

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