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Age

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This article says "born 1968" at the beginning, but later reads "He moved to the United States in 1979 at the age of 13." I have added a {{contradict}} tag to the article. Poker Flunky 18:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Status

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Someone wants to keep revising to say "An amateur poker player....". This is why I think this whole wiki project is somewhat suspect because there are too many people who stubbornly try to make some point which is obviously not valid. Consider:

- Most jobs won't pay $8.2 million in a lifetime, so clearly financially you could consider him a pro. - All those guys that are so great supposedly, Negraneu, Annie Duke, Doyle Brunson, Phil Ivey, etc. etc. would probably not want to go the route of admitting you can win a tourney of this magnitude without the sort of skills that make calling Jerry Yang an amateur somewhat ridiculous. That would be like calling Garry Kasparov an amateur chess player if he takes a year off to run for Russian President. - Regardless your view, it definitely adds nothing to mention his amateur status right in the first sentence. It is not the crux of what he accomplished and it doesn't reinforce anything meaningful to all the poker players hoping to oneday duplicate his success or all the past WSOP champs who are widely regarded as pros-Chan, Brunson, Ferguson, Scotty Nguyen. - If you consider poker a skilled game rather than a game of chance (in reality it is some of each), winning $8.2 million doing something skillful definitionally implies a professional status. (Garlicsteak (talk) 23:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC))[reply]

No, it does not imply professional status. While poker is a game of skill, the results of any one tournament are next to completely meaningless as a metric of skill. The idea of a professional poker player implies someone who has had poker be their primary source of income for an extended period of time. It is true that Yang (along with Jamie Gold, Joe Hachem, Greg Raymer and Chris Moneymaker before him) was not a full-time professional player. Keep in mind that "professional" is a job status, not a measure of skill. There are a number of professional poker players who are quite mediocre at poker and not nearly as good as some amateur players. But they are nonetheless professional players. The tag of "amateur" is quite accurate in the case of Jerry Yang and should not be construed as any judgment of his skill level. It is simply fact.Akqjt (talk) 18:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hachem and Raymer were profesional players before they won. Having other income doesn't mean you can't be a professional. Gold also was a successful tournament player before winning. Amateur is a useless word that doesn't do anything for the article. Likewise saying professional would not make sense. he is a poker player. We don't know if he filed his tax return as a professional or not, nor do we really care. 2005 (talk) 23:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a reference that states he is an amateur. Please stop revert warring based on your unfounded opinion. He is an amateur, it has nothing to do with earning or skill, it is just a fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.79.160 (talk) 00:52, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Gambling911 is gossip website, not a reliable source. Yang is a poker player. That is a fact. Your continued edits to diminish and belittle Yang are not appropriate. He was an amateur player at one time, but that status is now long irrelevant. He is not a a dabbler, dilettante, or unskillful, or someone who has not accepted money. He's a poker player. That is all that is needed to describe him. Neither amateur nor professional is needed to elborate on that. Your belittling edits have been reverted my many editors. Please find something else to do. 2005 (talk) 01:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The sources you've added are not reliable sources (one of them was a press release for goodness' sake), and the attachment of the word "amateur" doesn't add an important distinction to the meaning of the article. The consensus is that the phrase shouldn't be included. Please find something constructive to do. Rray (talk) 15:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Amateur does indeed add something to the article. What consensus do you have? The two of you? What a consensus. This is ridiculous, show me one source that says he is a professional. He is one or the other, that is just a fact. You guys are obviously pushing your own viewpoint and refuse to consider any other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.79.160 (talk) 21:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There's no dispute about whether or not he's a "poker player", which is the current phrasing. If you want to change it to "amateur poker player" or "professional poker player", then you need to include a source. Since multiple editors have reverted your edit multiple times, and you've been blocked for edit warring, it's pretty clear what the consensus is. Calling him a "poker player" instead of an "amateur poker player" or a "professional poker player" isn't pushing a viewpoint. His being a "poker player" is a documented fact. Rray (talk) 22:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I did include 3 sources. I could put in 10 if you want. Every source calls him an amateur. I was cited for edit warring but the person warring with me was not. Not exactly fair. Now the article says he was an amateur at the time he won the WSOP main event. If this is acceptable then you need a source that says he is no longer an amateur. Pick a position. If he was an amateur then, then he must still be one unless you have a source that shows when he lost his amateur status. If your position is as above, then why has no one reverted the adding of amateur at the time of WSOP? Inconsistent. Two or three people is hardly a consensus. If you look at the history others have shared my position. There is no consensus right now. All the sources support my position.
You included no reliable sources, according to the Wikipedia's guideline, WP:RS and policy WP:V. For example you included a press release, which will never be a reliable source except for some entity talking about itself. As for the amateur stuff, you just are not making any sense. He was an amateur when he won. That says nothing at all about his status now. The article does not say he is a professional now; it also does not say he is an amateur. It says he's a poker player, which is what he is. Why you want to label him now is beyond strange, but it is irrelevant to the article, which is now accurate. 2005 (talk) 22:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you are contending that he was an amateur at that time, then he is either still an amateur or lost that status at some point. If it is your contention that he lost the status at some point please provide a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.79.160 (talk) 00:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not contending anything, other than you should get a different hobby. 2005 (talk) 01:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about this: HE PLAYS AT AN AMATUER LEVEL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.149.18 (talk) 23:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Jerry Yang has recently put up a myspace page that is more current than the site created by Full Tilt. His myspace site should be included the external links for this article since it is really the most recent and active information on Jerry Yang. It can be considered a "live" page where as the Full Tilt site of jerryyangpoker.com is basically static and dead.

http://myspace.com/jerryyangpoker is the address, the bot reverted this change.

1) should we include this as an external link? 2) if so how do you get around the bot reverting the link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.45.51.76 (talk) 19:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that all you have to do is undo the bot's edit, and it won't revert (could be wrong here). As far as whether or not the page should be included - I will let others comment on that. ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ (talk) 20:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
At this point I don't see evidence that it is a genuine official site. There are fake myspaces for many poker players. It could be official though, but without any evidence of that, and the near zero content on the myspace now, I'd leave it off the links for a month or so till its official-ness seems more sure. Also, there is no need for it since thee is an official site link with more content already. 2005 (talk) 00:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added the link because I'm working for Jerry on his myspace page. How do you validate his official myspace page as being legitimate official site?Theslacker7 (talk) 02:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A link from the other official site. Or the full tilt profile. Maybe private family photos. The friends even look like complete strangers. There is no current way to judge the page was put up by you for him, or just by you for your own purposes. Just have the official site link to it, and that would be fine. 2005 (talk) 03:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmong

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If his ethnic background is Hmong, then why the hell do we have the Chinese characters and pinyin crap in the lead? For an English language website I see no need for it.Awotter (talk) 20:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Hmong names are Chinese names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.34.171 (talk) 08:27, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Did he give 10% to each charity or 10% between the 3 charities? PS Reference 2 links to home page and not the article. Mobile mundo (talk) 19:19, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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