Talk:Jeffrey Paparoa Holman

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A fact from Jeffrey Paparoa Holman appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 January 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Jeffrey Paparoa Holman gave himself his middle name, after the Paparoa Range?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 04:08, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that poet and scholar Jeffrey Paparoa Holman completed his PhD at age 60?~~ Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/La Poutine Week
- Comment: Currently at the beach for the New Year and afraid this still needs some work: notably a QPQ and I'm sure I can come up with a better hook. I am also seeking a photo for the article. Asking for the reviewer's forbearance; I will be back online properly on 4 Jan and can turn my attention to these matters ASAP.

Moved to mainspace by Chocmilk03 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:31, 1 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

So the hook isn't technically true since he might have been 59 depending on when in 2007 he got the PhD and when in 1947 he was born. I might suggest alt1:

ALT1: " ... that Jeffrey Paparoa Holman gave himself his middle name?"

alt1 look to be sourced by ProQuest 314950917. The source doesn't quite say he named himself after the Paparoa Range, which would make it more interesting, but I think it works without that. [2] isn't the greatest lit crit source of all time but, coming from Read NZ Te Pou Muramura, I think it's reasonable. Otherwise: QPQ needs doing, Earwig checks out, it's eligible for DYK as a move from draftspace to mainspace (or, rather, from userspace to draftspace to mainspace), was new enough when nominated, and well-sourced throughout. I am not concerned (and, indeed, am favourably impressed) by Chocmilk03's forthright potential COI disclosure, which they addressed by this disclosure and sending the article through AfC. So, in sum, we need: (1) either a modified alt9 or a new hook; and (2) a QPQ. After that, good to go. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 02:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AleatoryPonderings: Thank you! I agree the suggested hook wouldn't be sufficiently supported by the source, and I can't find one confirming he was 60; suggest we strike it. I like your suggested ALT1. I think it reasonably follows from the wording of the source that he did name himself after the Paparoa Range ("...he added "Paparoa" to his name. He explains that if he was to perform a mihi, a formal greeting, Grey would be his river, Paparoa would be his mountain ..."). How about:

ALT2: "... that Jeffrey Paparoa Holman gave himself his middle name, after the Paparoa Range?"

That said, I'm easy, and happy to go with ALT1 if that is simplest. I have also completed a QPQ and added this to the template above. Thanks for your kind words on the COI disclosure; I took that approach following the wise counsel of Schwede66. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 08:18, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your kind words. I'd say that if he referred to the Paparoa Range in his mihi, that would confirm ALT2. We don't have an article for 'mihi' itself (we should have!) and for the time being, here's a link so that other reviewers can see the significance of that. Schwede 66 08:29, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

. Alt1 and Alt2 are good. Promoter can pick alt1 if they are at all concerned about the Paparoa question. The quote that supports this is "While living in England in the 1980s, partly homesick and partly politicised, he added "Paparoa" to his name. He explains that if he was to perform a mihi, a formal greeting, Grey would be his river, Paparoa would be his mountain and the Rangitiki, which shipped his family over from England, would be his waka." That's from ProQuest 314950917, which was published in The Press. Thanks also to Schwede66 for their note re mihi (speech), which now goes on my list to create. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:55, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just chipping in on the topic of mihi. I found this explanation helpful: "A mihi is a greeting while a pepeha is a form of introduction that establishes identity and heritage. In formal settings, the pepeha forms part of an individual's mihi. A group situation where everyone gives their mihi (including their pepeha) is called a mihimihi." ref [3] Marshelec (talk) 22:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further comment about mihi. I have just found that there is an article Pepeha, but it is about a song, so ideally, a new article will be created about pepeha as a form of introduction that establishes identity and heritage, along with some disambiguation.Marshelec (talk) 23:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, I have only ever heard this form of greeting/introduction described as a pepeha. Grutness...wha? 04:18, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]