Talk:Jeff Porcaro

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Does anybody knows what kind of setup he had? User:Woden —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.197.67.120 (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Biased.

This article is so biased. Things like-

1) From the start of his career, Porcaro was viewed as one of the music industry's top drummers, possessing an impeccable sense of rhythm as well as a versatility that bridged virtually every style.

2) During his 20's, he played on hundreds of albums, including several for Steely Dan. Where are the sources for this? Listed reference: Jeff Porcaro discography on Toto official website

3) Porcaro is thought of today as one of the most innovative drummers of his generation, and an example to other musicians who seek to absorb and blend a wide array of musical styles. (I'm taking this one out.)

4) Richard Marx dedicated the song "One Man" to him and said Jeff was the best drummer he had ever worked with. Where is the source for Richard Marx saying this? Added reference: liner notes state that quote on Richard Marx album "Paid vacation

(I'm taking this one out too)--70.157.42.133 (talk) 00:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I have done my best to further tidy this article up - but further assistance welcomed !

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:08, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Claims should always be cited, but this bio is no more biased than several other celebrity articles on Wikipedia. I've found an alternate cite for the second claim. IHeardFromBob (talk) 14:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, the first sentence you've recited is a direct quote from Jeff's page at DrummerWorld.com. IHeardFromBob (talk) 16:21, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Jeff was also known in the drum world for a certain drumbeat/feel called the Porcaro Shuffle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.161.61.198 (talk) 23:13, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

He actually got it from Bernard Purdie. Lord Bumble (talk) 23:32, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm a drummer and while a lot of this praise is subjective (and just that praise), it is totally warranted. Just from his body of work alone, Jeff P. will go down as one of the most talented, sought-after drummers in modern recording history. You don't become an A-lister in LA, on Quincy Jones' first call list and play on the biggest selling album of all-time (aka Thriller) without being world class! But don't take my word for it -- “He was one of the best drummers in the world,” said Eddie Van Halen at a tribute held for Jeff in late ’92. “Definitely the groove master. He was just so heavy.” (Drum! Magazine Article, https://drummagazine.com/jeff-porcaro-the-legend/) Whoever questioned his billing is musically deficient or jealous. The guy is a drumming god, a legend. Deal. ~ Christopher Doyle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolesrock (talk • contribs) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Spinal Tap Reference

My gut tells me the part about his Death is not the place for a good funny reference, but i'm not sure where else to put it. In Spinal Tap, the bandmembers are asked what happened to all their drummers. One story is about a drummer dying in a "freak gardening accident". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burt777 (talk • contribs) 09:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Didn't it transpire later that it had been cocaine related? I remember when it was in the news, there was a lot of talk about what a strange reason it seemed, and I think it turned up later his drug habits had been a factor. I believe it was suggested it had been cocaine that induced the heart or breathing failure.

About his drumming - yeah, it's fan talk. He was a good drummer but not such an icon and the skills of session musicians do get exaggerated. Just read a bio of Joe Zawinul - Weather Report tried Porcaro and several others for the drum chair in 1978 but, says Zawinul, "Porcaro couldn't play". It probably means he wasn't a supple jazz drummer, but also shows everybody wasn't taken in. 83.254.158.105 (talk) 00:06, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Can you cite this? It might be a useful material, although likely more suited to Weather Report's own page. IHeardFromBob (talk) 17:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Fan talk? Many artists that Jeff Porcaro worked for and played with have raved about what a great player he was, and a guy doesn't get asked to do as many thousands of sessions as Jeff did if he wasn't that good and his skills were "exaggerated". Does he? He worked steadily in the business for 20 years and played with many of the most respected musicians in the world, giants in the industry, people like Eric Clapton, Bruce Springsteen, Mark Knopfler, and Paul McCartney, to name just a very few. Also, many of his fellow drummers have been effusive in their praise of his ability. So it's not just fans who respected him. And yes, he was an icon. Ask anyone who knows anything about drums and drummers. And you think only one guy, Joe Zawinul, saw him for what he really was and wasn't "taken in", while Jeff Porcaro somehow managed to totally fool and somehow pull the wool over the eyes of the hundreds of artists he played with and the producers who called him for the thousands of sessions he did and his fellow drummers who had the highest respect for him? Do you have any clue what a ridiculous notion that is? --Mnman81 (talk) 13:52, 9 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnman81 (talk • contribs) 16:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Porcaro didn't play odd time signatures, he wouldn't have suited Weather Report. 2A02:C7C:39BC:B200:F1E1:6A82:9087:ECFE (talk) 00:21, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Setup

A piece on Jeff's setup might be a good idea.... I will add this when I get the time.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheTotoFan (talk • contribs) 02:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

His Death

I'm not sure if it's been recently edited or not, but I am confused about what it was that killed him. For a long time it was believed to be allergic reaction to pesticide, but now it says the heart attack was caused by cocaine use. That's a pretty big coincidence....to fall ill from hardened arteries caused by cocaine usage...at exactly the same time of falling ill from spraying pesticide. And thats the thing...whats even more confusing is that it still says the pesticide is what made him fall ill and put him in hospital, but it was cocaine usage which caused the heart attack that evening. So if he didn't initially have a heart attack from an allergic reaction instantly after spraying the pesticide, and the heart attack he had later that evening was caused by cocaine, what on earth put him in the hospital in the first place if the pesticide had nothing to do with it????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TomKing1980 (talk • contribs) 13:39, 09 July 2011 (UTC)

This is a highly controversial topic and I think it has been edited again and again in the past. A while ago I extensively searched the internet for references. Unfortunately, there isn't much beyond speculation. That LA Times article is the best I could find. And obviously the autopsy report stated it was not the pesticide but the cocaine. Still, this doesn't mean that it's wrong that he fell ill after spraying the pesticide (as the article also states). It might have caused an allergic reaction that then triggered a heart attack, which he might have survived without the other conditions. But this is speculation that we will probably have to leave to the reader.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 15:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

That's only one article and its only accessible cause its still web-online. There are other articles that aren't web-online (because they are dated so far back) which state the story.78.109.182.43 (talk) 16:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

"The Los Angeles County Coroner's office listed the cause of death to be a heart attack from atherosclerosis induced by cocaine use, not from an allergic reaction to the pesticides as presumed immediately after his death and stated by Toto in the band's official history".

Whether you choose to believe the coroner – a highly trained medical examiner – relating to the death of a known narcotic user; rather than those without any medical training, knowledge or experience – who seemingly use the archetypal American conspiracy-type attitude of it was bound to be the result of something else – a single episode of use of a pesticide; is purely yours to deduce.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:21, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

References

Birthplace contradiction

The article says he was born in both South Windsor, Connecticut and Hartford, Connecticut. The articles for both towns display maps that clearly show they are not one and the same area; not even close. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 18:41, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

References

So one of the major shortcomings of Wiki are the linked, online references, and most of them for the Jeff Porcaro article are outdated and broken. Someone with more know-how needs to include new links. For instance, there are e-gads of references and even original video content on YouTube of Jeff explaining how he came up with the Rosanna Shuffle. The current reference is to a broken link on Online Drummer or some similar site. And as I said, this and most other reference links are no longer valid. Isn't there a way to cache these pages and videos so that they don't have to be constantly updated as content and websites change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolesrock (talk • contribs) 18:16, 4 March 2022 (UTC)