Talk:Jedd Gyorko/GA1

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 17:46, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start this review.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:46, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Please note that the external links tool to the right has one alarm.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:46, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Found it archived. No problems now. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Early life

~~What is his mother's name?~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:02, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Penny. Does that work as a source? It's video from a TV broadcast, not an article. I imagine it's kosher, but I don't typically use these. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:33, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - MLB.com is an WP:RS. You just need to use the format=video parameter.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:32, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Added. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:58, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Amateur career

~~What position did he play in high school baseball?~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Article calls him an "All-State infielder". Seems he probably played around the diamond a bit in high school. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:43, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Another source said he was primarily a shortstop (what I suspected). – Muboshgu (talk) 14:54, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~What poistion in other sports?~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- QB/WR. Doesn't say about basketball position. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:35, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Obviously it would be good if we can find basketball too, but it is not a dealbreaker.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:34, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Found it and added it. PG/SG. I figured he's too short to be a forward or center. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:52, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Was he a star in either basketball or football?~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think so. Hard to prove a negative, though. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:12, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:35, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Oh guess what? He was All-State in basketball. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - Obviously must be included.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:00, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Indeed I added it. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:11, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        As a senior?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        First team as a senior and second team as a junior. Also All-Conference and Conference POY as a junior. Adding now. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Did his teams go to the playoffs in baseball or football?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Again, I'm not seeing any evidence of it. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:12, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:35, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~"As a freshman" repeats in the same sentence.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Oops. Fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:35, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Name the most notable All-Freshman teams.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Done – Muboshgu (talk) 14:55, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~"Gyorko shifted to second base as a sophomore". You never told us his position(s) as a freshman.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Shortstop. Added. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - This needs to be in the 2nd paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:58, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Actually I erred. He shifted from SS to 2B in 2008, his freshman year, and then back to SS in 2009 and 2010. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:54, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Add something about his position as a freshman and you might also want to say what position he played in the summer.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:59, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:16, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~It appears that he did not attend WVU for his senior season. This is not made clear in the text.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- College players are draft-eligible after their junior year. Gyorko was drafted after his junior year and signed, forgoing his senior year. This is now made more clear with a sentence describing him as a potential first round pick after his junior year. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:54, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an explanation why he has not played short as a pro?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Many high school and college shortstops are seen as not able to handle the position professionally, so they're shifted to a less demanding position. (Jason Giambi played shortstop in high school.) Gyorko is no exception; he was a commodity because he could hit. I should add in that the Padres were skeptical that he could be their second baseman as recently as 2013 spring training. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Can you source this? It would be informative to the reader. Not a lot of MLB fans follow the college game.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:05, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - [1] I don't know how relevant this is to the article, since it doesn't relate to Gyorko directly.
      - That neither mentions Gyorko nor says that high school and college shortstops often don't play the position as pros. What we need is a pro scouting report. Do you have access to any scouting reports about him around the time he was being drafted by the pros?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Yeah, you're right. On a quick first read I thought it talked more about how the position is so demanding that amateurs are moved off of it when they turn pro. On a closer read I see it just says the position is demanding. I am a Baseball Prospectus subscriber. (Why did I not think to look there sooner?) Here's a comment that can be sourced to their 2011 annual: "The Padres shifted him to third base, where he has the arm to stick but no other strong defensive skills; he played shortstop in college only because the rules stipulated that someone had to and he happened to be West Virginia's most distinguished athlete." Let me see what else I can find before I add that. Also, I reread this source (already cited) that says he played second in youth baseball before playing short in high school. Per this source, Gyorko split time between 3B and DH in 2011 due to being a teammate of another 3B prospect. Those are now added. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:47, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        What you have included is that he played third but only sometimes. You have not explained that because of a weak arm, he was moved from short to third. I am satisfied with that quote as a source for that issue. However, you are free to look for another. I imagine there are scouting reports out there that say he did not have a strong enough arm to be a professional shortstop. It was likely either going to be the feet, the glove or the arm. We just need to tell the reader it was the arm.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:34, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Right, I haven't explained the reason yet. I think it's also the footwork, in addition to the arm, that prevented him from being a pro SS. I'll try to get to this by COB today. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:59, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Whatever the reasons are, I am sure there are scouting reports that explain them. Let's just present a summary of what you find to the reader.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        I added an MLB.com video that talks about a lack of range. Other sources I've seen seem to indicate his throwing arm was viewed as adequate for any IF position. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:11, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        I think the proper summary of the sources would be that Source x said that he had an inadequate arm. However, most other sources, including sources Y & Z, suggest that his arm is sufficient to play any position, but his range is not good enough to be a shortstop at the professional level. That would cover us and allow the reader to draw their own conclusions and guide them to dig further as they wish.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:37, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        His throwing arm was not an issue. The sources say his arm would be sufficient at 3B, but don't say it wasn't at SS. The issue at SS was his lack of range and footspeed. The latter I've added to the description. I'm adding now how his arm was seen as okay. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Images

All PD.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~File:Jedd Gyorko (8742587444).jpg has a problem with its WP:CAPTION, which is lacking punctuation.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Added – Muboshgu (talk) 14:55, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Great job. This is a very detailed article. I am going to put it On Hold. My concerns are fairly brief. I expect that they can be addressed in short order.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. I'm on it, should be done in a few days. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:33, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Should be good now. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great work! I can now pass this.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:12, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! – Muboshgu (talk) 22:16, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]