Talk:Jeannie Seely

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Hello everyone! I am in the process of cleaning up Jeannie Seely's main article. If you have any suggestions or comments, please add them below. Thank you. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 03:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: David Fuchs (talk · contribs) 20:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~In progress, look for review by next weekend. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 20:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)~~[reply]

Comments below:

Lead:
- She also has several acting credits and published a book.—this sentence's placement is kind of weird. If her acting and authorship aren't really that important (which it doesn't appear to be), it doesn't feel like they should be covered as a second sentence. If they are, it's weird they're split off instead of listed with the other occupations up front in the first sentence.
- The end of the lead starts dissolving into "In DATE X, Y happened." repetition. Are each of these albums importantly distinctive to mention in her career one after another?
Prose:
- In general, I think the article suffers from an overuse of quotes; in general, you should be looking to convey material encyclopedically in Wikipedia's voice, not the article subject's (it brings up neutrality issues as well, and avoids the disclaimer language you need to add such as 'she said this on her website' to boot, which makes it read better.) I would be judicious and pare them down substantially.
- She also continued her work as a songwriter. She began writing songs for Four Star Music.[6] As a songwriter, her songs were recorded by several country artists. This is a lot of uses of "songwriter" in a short spell. Vary it up.
- "The only bright spot in my life right now is a flashing neon sign...and even that comes and goes"—I'm not entirely sure what this means (I'm guessing her name being displayed at venues?) But either way isn't really that illuminating a quote.
- For an artist bio, the critical reception info that crops up in about "Don't Touch Me" seems excessive. Rather than giving us individual critics (unless some of these are the Roger Ebert of country music reviews) you should really find general reception and touch on it more lightly. Given that it's apparently a big hit and it's been decades, there should be some better sources to give a wider-scale general view of the song.
- Throughout there are a lot of topic sentences for paragraphs that aren't explicitly referenced and feel like they're going beyond editorial voice to say things not explicitly stated, as well as just sounding clunky to boot, e.g. As a performer and entertainer, Seely's image has often been a subject of discussion., Seely has been described as an influential female country artist.
- While not achieving any solo achievements—repetitious.
- The legacy section is a bit messy and rambling with overuse of quotes versus condensing information.
Media:
- Free media seems appropriately verified and tagged.
- File:Jeannie Seely--Don't Touch Me--Audio File.ogg could use more beefing up in its fair-use rationale, as well as its caption in the article, to justify its inclusion per WP:NFCC (this is another place where general reception explaining the importance of the song would help.)
References:
- What makes Country Thang Daily, Country Universe, The Boot, Digital Journal, Country Standard Time, Louisville Music News, Music Row, Music Connection, Pigeon Forge, and Rare Country reliable sources?
- I'm concerned about the use of Seely's biography, which apparently is self-published. WP:PRIMARY and WP:SPS recommend against heavy usage of such sources.
- Your Harman/Seely {{sfn}} templates are not working and not anchored to the citation they're intended.
- Spot-checked references cited to current refs 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 24, 45, 49, 61, 62, 87, 89, and 107.
- Ref 1 is used to cite Her soul-inspired vocal delivery but the article says nothing about her vocal delivery being inspired by soul music, just the "Country Soul" moniker.
- Likewise Ref 2 doesn't mention music professionals giving her the country soul nickname.
- Ref 8 is used to cite In 1961, Seely made the decision to move to southern California. She left in her MGA Roadster convertible, along with three other friends but doesn't adequately cite when she made the decision to move, or mention the friends.
- Ref 45 is used to cite While not achieving any solo achievements, Seely's songwriting was more successful. In 1972, she composed "Leavin' and Sayin' Goodbye", which was recorded by Faron Young., and seems to overreach—the citation provided says that she had success with songwriting in the 70s, but doesn't say anything about her solo career or compare her songwriting to it. Likewise it's later used to cite When opportunities were available, Seely continued to work. which again is going beyond the source.
- Ref 61 and 62 don't adequately cite this passage: In 1981, Seely became the first female to be a Grand Ole Opry host when Del Reeves was stuck in a snowstorm and she was asked to fill in for him. The Opry continued to only use male artists as show hosts. However, after advocating for several years of fairer representation, Seely became the first female member to regularly host Opry segments
- The three citations used to cite Seely's musical style is mostly rooted in country music. However, it also is rooted in classic country, country pop and blue-eyed soul. altogether don't seem to adequately cover those "also rooted" bits.

Given the issues with referencing above, I'm failing the article at present. I encourage a rewrite relying more heavily on secondary sources and less on quotes, as well as a check to make sure that statements are fully cited—I'm well aware stuff can drift with added or edited content, but it's something that has to be handled. If you have further questions, you can hit me up on my talk page. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 15:29, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]