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Baby on board

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On the maiden voyage from Tralee to Quebec in April 1848, a boy was born aboard the ship. To mark the unusual surroundings of his birth, the parents, Daniel and Margaret Reilly, named the baby Nicholas (after the co-owner of the vessel Nicholas Donovan) Johnston (after the ship) so Nicholas Johnston Reilly was added to the passenger list.

As documented in the book, All Standing: The Remarkable Story of the Jeanie Johnston, the Legendary Irish Famine Ship.

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I have sincere trouble with this:

To my opinion this addition is irrelevant for the story about the ship.
The editor has a personal tie to the baby, as stated in the summary here: This was my great grandfather! Story is documented in the book "All Standing: The Remarkable Story of the Jeanie Johnston, The Legendary Irish Famine Ship"
The quote points to a book, but without proper references or page number.

I like to her opinions of more people about this addition. The Banner talk 00:20, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you'll find this reference clearer (and more relevant). RTÉ News, the national news service provided by Irish public broadcaster Raidió Teilifís Éireann, wrote a similar story about the Jeanie Johnston a year ago on August 4, 2021 entitled "16 Atlantic crossings, 0 lives lost and 1 baby boy: The Jeanie Johnston famine ship in numbers".(https://www.rte.ie/culture/2021/0728/1237798-the-jeanie-johnston-irelands-famine-ship-in-numbers/#) in which they make the birth of a baby onboard a central feature of their story. Going into even greater detail than the original Wikipedia article I'm trying to restore about how the baby was in fact named not just after the ship and her captain, but after the entire crew. And this RTE article cites the same well documented book I included as additional reference (All Standing: The Remarkable Story of the Jeanie Johnston, the Legendary Irish Famine Ship Paperback – 14 Jan. 2014). If you need a page number to cite from this book, I'm sure I can find it.

So if the RTE sees the "birth of a baby on-board" as a central part of this ship's story, why shouldn't Wikipedia? It's an important part of the story, emphasizing the "no lives lost" record" of this remarkable ship (even when a baby was born on board it's maiden voyage). A rarity among all the other "famine ships" that came soon to be called "coffin ships" for their notorious loss of life due to overcrowding, lack of doctors and the otherwise poor conditions which the celebrated Jeanie Johnston avoided.

No other ship of its time could claim such a record. And part of that record was a baby being born on board (and surviving). Being named after the entire crew in celebration. Paultroberts (talk) 00:40, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The most detailed book about the Jeanie Johnston ship, written by Prof. Miles, is called "All Standing: The Remarkable Story of the Jeanie Johnston, The Legendary Irish Famine Ship".

Publisher ‏ : ‎ Simon & Schuster; Reprint edition (January 14, 2014)

Language ‏ : ‎ English

Paperback ‏ : ‎ 256 pages

ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 1451610157

ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-1451610154

Her book opens with the whole story of Nicholas Reilly being born on the ship, and refers back to him throughout the book (as he grows up in the Midwest) as sort of an allegory for the whole remarkable story of survival that is the Jeanie Johnston. A celebrated success amidst so much misery and tragedy as one million Irish perished in the famine and another one million fled the country on small boats like this (none with a survival rate like the Jeanie Johnston).

Prof. Miles ends her prologue on page xv and xvi with this: "Nicholas Reilly was born at sea, and he made a point of stating that fact on every document, governmental or otherwise, that asked for his place of birth. He also listed his legal name as Nicholas Johnston Reilly on such papers, but that was really just for convenience’s sake. His full name was Nicholas Richard James Thomas William John Gabriel Carls Michael John Alexander Trabaret Archibald Cornelius Hugh Arthur Edward Johnston Reilly, so named for the owner, doctor, and crew of the Jeanie Johnston, the legendary famine ship on which Nicholas was born thirty years earlier.

That he was born on Easter Sunday, the very day the vessel was scheduled to embark from County Kerry on her first refugee voyage, was noteworthy enough. That he and his family survived the arduous journey that followed was nothing short of astounding. Mortality rates on the aptly named coffin ships could be as high as 70 percent.

Not so on the Jeanie Johnston. Beginning with the much publicized announcement of Nicholas’s birth, this little square-rigged barque was known far and wide as a charmed ship—the only coffin ship, in fact, to keep all of her passengers alive."

She sees the story of this baby being born on the maiden voyage of this ship as a precursor for all that comes next. And a symbol for the whole story of this charmed and celebrated ship. Couldn't/Shouldn't Wikipedia at least mention or acknowledge that central and celebrated part of the story as well?

I also have a copy of the original story that appeared in the local Tralee Chronicle on April 29, 1848 (four days after the birth in harbor) which confirms this story (and the name of the doctor who attended him). As well as copies of the 1850 US CENSUS in which a two year Nicholas Reilly is registered and recorded with a place of birth as "The Atlantic Ocean" if further proof of this story is needed. 2600:8802:D01:3700:C5B8:2A8A:62E0:7C6C (talk) 04:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]