Talk:Jean-Christophe, Prince Napoléon

Proper name

The name is written inconsequently. Does this guy have Napoléon as one of his given names? There seam to be som kind of competition between royalities and ther heirs: to christian their childen with as many given names as possible. Highest number of names winns...

2006-11-01 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

Sigh. Apparently too many are unaware of the fact that this family branch changed offcially their surname to "Napoleon" well over a century ago. They are NOT Bonaparte, nor are they actually known with surname Bonaparte: they always use "Prince Napoléon" as surname. 84.249.153.83 14:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

“Prince Napoléon” does not sound like a French surname to me. (If it had been written with a hyphen that had been an other case.) I thought it was a nickname used by people who wanted to re-establish the Bonaparte dynasty. If it IS a surname why is the headword “Jean-Christophe Bonaparte”? His father is written as “Charles Napoléon Bonaparte” and his paternal grandfather as “Louis Napoléon Bonaparte”. So it continuous all the way back to Jérôme Bonaparte, youngest brother of Napoléon I. Forgive me if I sound to suspicious! I am a sceptic and my sceptical thinking is usually alerted by the name “Napoléon”.

2006-12-02 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

This man's legal surname is not Bonaparte but Napoléon, as his grandfather's and his father's. He is Jean-Christophe Napoléon not Jean-Christophe Bonaparte. The issue of the prince Napoléon title is a different matter. 84.103.83.112 17:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

“Napoléon” is much more plausible as a surname. After all, male given names can be used as surnames in many European languages. But I have to repeat my question: why are the headwords “Jean-Christophe Bonaparte” and “Charles Napoléon Bonaparte”? (“Louis Napoléon Bonaparte” leads to Napoléon III.) Give me a credible explanation and I will believe you!

2006-12-17 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

I have found one more counter-argument. Assume that Jean-Christophe’s great-grandfather took “Napoléon” as his surname. Why would someone take a surname which he already has as one of his given names? I think it quite unlikely considering how confusing it would be. (“Is ‘Napoléon’ your surname or one of your given names?”) Sure, there is an actor named Fares Fares. But I don’t think he has taken it himself for the above reason. On the other hand, parents may be highly creative when they give names to their children. So the name might be his parents' fault.

2008-10-04 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

• • Part of the dynastic dispute is that when Charles Napoleon-Bonaparte changed his name officially to Charles Napoleon during his divorce, the state automatically changed the last name of his father Louis Napoleon-Bonaparte (d. 1997) to simply Napoleon as well. Charles said it was purely a beaureacratic error which he had nothing to do with but his father was apparently angered. At least this is what I have read. Louis's will was changed the year before he died to skip Charles as heir in hopes his grandson would be more conservative (Charles is leftist) and therefore a more fitting imperial heir. As the wiki states there is no public conflict between the claimants and that Charles holds the title, however the grandson JC attends imperial events as head of family, not Charles. This is likely because his grandmother Madame Napoleon is still alive and presumably seeing that her husband's will is carried out while she is at the helm. Whether he will continue in this capacity afterwards remains to be seen. 204.86.42.50 (talk) 21:40, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Your explanation is more confusing than clarifying. Was the surname changed by his father Charles, by his grandfather Louis, or by his great-grandfather Victor? Was it changed to “Napoléon”, “Prince Napoléon” or “Napoléon-Bonaparte”? I will continue to call him Jean-Christophe Bonaparte until anyone can explain the claimed name change.

2009-04-03 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

• • • I thought my explanation was clear that Napoléon is the last name, not Bonaparte. During Charles's divorce he had his last name shortened from Napoléon-Bonaparte to just Napoleon. Apparently the French state, upon approval, also automatically changed the name of Charles's father (Prince Louis Napoléon-Bonaparte) to the shortened last name Napoléon as well, without his approval and much to his dismay. This, and other reasons, caused strife between Louis and Charles and led to Louis disinheriting Charles in his will and putting Jean-Christophe in his place. Regardless, Charles and his family today goes by the last name Napoléon and not Napoléon-Bonaparte or Bonaparte. Officially JC is Prince Napoléon and makes official appearances as such, though Charles has stated that it is he (Charles) who is the current Prince Napoléon and that there is no discord between his son and himself on this issue. 204.86.42.50 (talk) 14:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Title

France is a republic, why does he have Imperial highness and prince as his style and title?

It is unofficial and in my opinion quite anachronistic.

2007-04-10 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

France recognises noble and royal titles. - dwc lr 13:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean with “recognices”? After two revolutions there should not be any privileges left!

2007-06-05 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

I believe titles are considered part of peoples names and that they don't give holders any privileges. - dwc lr 13:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Why is his style Imperial Highness when the pretender page lists his father as the pretender to the royal throne of Wesphalia in addition to the imperial throne of France? Should his style be Imperial and Royal Highness? Emperor001 18:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• Imperial Highness is a higher style than Royal Highness. If someone holds both they don't necessarily have to use both. Charles 17:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I don’t consider that important since the French throne have been abolished too long. Also, Westphalia was a short lived state that don't have any up-to-dateness. Maybe we should compare to rich Indians who call themselves maharajas...

2007-07-10 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

The French Republic doesn't recognise these titles but also doesn't forbid their use. By anyone. The style "Imperial Highness" is held in pretence. Meaning that it's not actually recognised by anyone. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 02:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

To me he is the younger of two possible heirs to the empire. If there was any to inherit... (giggles)

2009-07-27 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.247.167.70 (talk) 17:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Famous haplogroup members

As a living male line of Napoleon I's Y-chromosome via directly from Napoleon's brother (i.e. of the same father), the Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup for Napoleon Bonaparte could be discovered by testing Jean-Christophe Napoléon or another in the same direct male line of Napoleon (inheritance of the same Y-chromosome) like Jean-Christophe's father Charles Napoléon. This is of great interest for discovering Famous haplogroup members, Somebody swab this guy and make the findings public! 67.5.156.242 (talk) 09:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

You make me very curious. What is your name? You only have to tell your most commonly used given name! Which brother do you descend from and how are you related to him? I just want to make sure that you have not been duped by a fake genealogy.

2008-06-06 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

I mean the article subject not myself! lol. 67.5.156.228 (talk) 21:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, your expressions where a quite ambitious. I thought you claimed to be a male-line only decedent of Carlo Buonaparte just like Jean-Christophe is. That was what made me so curious.

2008-10-01 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

I have read that the genetic analysis shew Napoléon III was not nephew to Napoléon I. --Manfariel (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

category

perhaps there should be a category for 21-st century heirs to defunct European thrones? just a suggestion. --Sm8900 (talk) 19:32, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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Sexuality

Is it True the Prince is Gay or Bisexual? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFR3ebMFfvE

It seems he may have had a sexual relationship with this YouTuber. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.78.230.175 (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Not according to the comments. 2A00:23C8:8F8A:B700:9C79:E2BF:DC15:119B (talk) 18:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Dynastic ceremonies

He represents his dynasty's heritage at public events and ceremonies in France and elsewhere in Europe.

This needs expanding, to support his notability, and the viability of his wiki page. Valetude (talk) 12:03, 9 January 2020 (UTC)