Talk:Jay Wiseman

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Image Request

Jay, if you read this, please provide a better GDFL picture. Copyrighted Pictures won't be allowed on plenty other wikipedia-sites (languages) worldwide and this one is btw really kind of strange. ;-) Kind Regards from old Europe ;-). --Nemissimo II 20:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the image.--Nemissimo (talk) 00:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Missing information

"In 1996, Wiseman started his own book distribution company." So what is its name? Is he still owning parts of Greenery?? Please give us some further infos ( and a better GFDL image ;-) ) --Nemissimo II 22:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Essentially none of this BLP has a reliable source. The one reference only verifies the connection with Greenery Press. What is the evidence for notability? Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 19:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unverified BLP material deleted. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 20:27, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"BLP material" normally refers to information that is contentious. Information such as the individual's place of employment or schooling is generally fine to include, and BLP subjects are allowed to update this information based on their own say-so, even without a source. See WP:SELFPUB. I do agree that the citations on this article could be better, especially for someone as well-known and widely published as Wiseman. But rather than simply deleting the majority of the article, it would be better to remove anything that seems problematic (negative information about a BLP), and request citations for anything that's questionable, by tagging it with {{cn}} tags. If no citations are provided, the information can then be removed, per WP:V. --El on ka 15:41, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I read WP:BLP, it refers to all "information about living persons", it doesn't restrict itself to contentious material. There are two prescriptions: "any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation", which is what I did here -- challenged a month ago, in the posting at the head of this section, and removed after noone came up with citations, just as you describe. The prescription "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." is also valid but not what I used here. Am I out of line here? Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 16:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When in doubt about how BLP is to be interpreted, it's safer to be strict than lenient. However, deleting 5K of a 7K article[1] citing BLP concerns seems a bit much, not to mention that even his primary point of notability (writing SM 101) was deleted from the lead. Removing contentious information is fine. Completely gutting an article simply because sources are not clear, seems (in my opinion) to be too much. My recommendation is to restore the non-contentious information, and tag anything about which there is a bonafide concern. --El on ka 20:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Sources are not clear" is an odd way of saying "absent". I was citing WP:BLP policy. The notability point in the intro was unsourced. I flagged up all of this a month ago. I do not agree with your analysis or your recommendation: I do not propose to add any unsourced material to the article. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 20:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have added several sources. Please feel free to use them. --El on ka 16:47, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(←) Thanks for those -- no doubt an editor with access to the periodicals you cite will make good use of them. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 20:29, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a library card? They're easily available via Newsbank through any library's website. --El on ka 15:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]