Talk:Jay Maynard

Wikipedia:Autobiography

After reading Wikipedia:Autobiography, I've decided to let this page stand as is and let others add text. I'll make no apologies for adding myself to the Internet phenomenon page, as I feel I certainly qualify, and creating this page as a stub from that was logical, but I'll abide by the general Wikipedia prohibition on autobiography. Jay Maynard 03:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The tronguy.net link is no longer working

Worked for me just now. Jay Maynard 11:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Hm. Fashion? I'm not sure this is more appropriate than, say, Internet meme stubs, but there isn't such a category that I could find. Did I miss on in the listing of stub categories? Jay Maynard 10:47, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully we can find more stuff than just Tronguy! The IBM mainframe work is actually notable itself - David Gerard 13:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Autobiography

It's kind of worrying seeing how the subject of this article is also its primary contributor. It doesn't appear to be biased or anything, but there's always bias by selective omission, and that's hard to detect unless you're intimately knowledgeable of the subject in question. --Cyde↔Weys 13:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

That's why I've kept my fingers out of it. David Gerard contributed about half of what is there now, and I'll be happy to point people to sources in the press if they want to add more. Jay Maynard 15:31, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Well if you have additional references, please provide them. At first glance I was inclined to nominate this for deletion my self, and I am not positive that it would survive a debate without those additional citations. The best I can come up with on my own is a few thousand blog posts, and the link below. RFerreira 00:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll see what I can dig up...there should be some newspaper articles and the like still around on the net. OTOH, if the article is nominated for deletion, I'll accept whatever result is produced. Jay Maynard 14:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Some progress has been made with sourcing, if you have any additional cites you can add feel free. RFerreira 01:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Problem: Jay Maynard is policing this page

Jay Maynard's involvement in this article may be problematic. I recently noted that the Hercules emulator is free software.[1] Despite this being a fact, and despite this being information about Hercules (not about Jay), Jay immediately reverted my edit and told me "Please do not ascribe to me a viewpoint I do not hold [...] Please don't insult me and misrepresent my views".(link) (Update: And he's doing same for Hercules emulator: [2])

I didn't ascribe anything to him, I didn't insult him, and I didn't make any representations about his views.

My edit should stand, but that's not the point I'd like to make here. What I think is important here is that it's inappropriate for the subject of an article to exert this sort of control over the article and verbally attack contributors who make edits that in no way violate WP:BLP.

I'd like to ask Jay to step back from this article, and I wanted to make others aware of this so that similar incidents don't get brushed off because they appear to be isolated incidents. Gronky (talk) 15:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

What other incidents? If you look at the history of this article, you'll see that, after the original contribution, I've kept my hands off of it except for reverting obvious vandalism and fixing one spelling error.

I also didn't attack you. I objected to your actions in ascribing support for the so-called "free software" movement to me when I did not and do not support it.Yes, managing a so-called "free software" project imples support for that movement.

This is nothing more than a naked attempt to intimidate me from standing up for my beliefs about myself. Further, you reinstated the edit, even after being directed to a talk page discussing the issue. Finally, you're pushing one viewpoint in the open source/"free software" discussion, all across Wikipedia, and that's not appropriate either.

I'll accept your comment about this not being about a viewpoint about so-called "free software" just as soon as you go through and edit all of the FSF's software entries in Wikipedia and note that they're open source software. Somehow, I doubt that will happen. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 16:25, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

If my edit is bad, let the Wikipedia community be the judge. You keep telling me to go read this or go look at that, but editors don't have to read your writings in order to be allowed to edit this page. Contributing to this page is done on the condition that editors follow the Wikipedia rules and guidelines, which I did.

Maybe you think that by making contributing this article an ordeal, you can shoo people away. Well, yes, you can. I'll be reluctant to bother in future. But I do want to signal this problem to others. Gronky (talk) 16:55, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Update: And I see you've decided to do the same for Hercules emulator: [3]. Gronky (talk) 16:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't want to make anything an ordeal. However, it's also a Wikipedia norm that controversial edits are discussed on the talk page before being added, and only added on consensus. That's why I referred you to the talk pages, so you could see what has gone before. You didn't do that. From looking at your talk page, you don't seem to do that very much. Not my problem. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 17:52, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Noting that the QPL has been approved as an FS licence is not controversial.

You're violating Wikipedia's policy on autobiographies: Wikipedia:AUTO#IFEXIST

It says that reverting clear cases of vandalism is allowed, as is updating of personal info such as marital status. Otherwise, it says you should write on the Talk page and let another Wikipedia do the editing of the page. Gronky (talk) 18:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

All right, then...I'll dig up the emails sent by the Hercules project team on the subject of so-called "free software" and dissociating themselves from it, if you wish - including my own. Most notably, the original author, Roger Bowler, wrote Hercules as a demonstration that it is possible to write good, useful software without depending on so-called "free software" tools.

Again, do you think it would be controversial to note GCC as open source software on its page? The GPL has been approved by OSI as an Open Source license. This case is just like saying that Richard Stallman leads an open source programming project. Don't you think he'd object? If it's not right to do it to him, what makes it right to do it to me? -- Jay Maynard (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

And with that, I am stepping back. I've reverted it twice as it is, and have no desire to run afoul of 3RR. OTOH, I would hope that people who would want to put those words in my mouth would read this discussion and carefully consider my objections and whether calling Hercules "free software" is a violation of NPOV. It will be helpful in such consideration to think about whether calling GCC open source software is a similar violation. In general, I believe that the wishes of those who write and maintain the code be considered paramount in selecting the term to use. RMS wouldn't want GCC to be considered a victory for open source; the Hercules team does not want its software to be considered a victory for so-called "free software". -- Jay Maynard (talk) 19:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia typically uses the blanket term "free and open source software" to cover the gamut of liberal licenses in question without having to choose one or the other; when there are disputes over the exact terminology, they can easily be worked around simply by stating exactly what license the code is under. That's what I've done here. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 10:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I have no problem with what you have written. It's accurate, and doesn't push either POV - which is exactly what's called for. I don't know if Gronky would consider it acceptable, but if not, you and he can argue it. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 10:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Win a date with Tron Guy

This link is not dated, but http://abc.go.com/primetime/jimmykimmel/datetronman.html offers a chance to "Enjoy a date with the Tron Guy, compliments of Jimmy Kimmel Live". Is this offer still open, or is this just a lingering cobweb on the site? RFerreira 00:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a lingering cobweb, and I'm mildly surprised it's still there. That offer ended in late 2004. Jay Maynard 14:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

We Are the Web

Recently, Tron Guy was in a video at http://wearetheweb.org/ supporting net neutrality, along with several other internet "celebrities", including Peter Pan Guy, Kitten-playing-White-Stripes, the thing that likes the moon, the pair of college students who lip synched N'Sync, etc. --64.24.181.98 18:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Personally I think that page was created by the Ted Stevens fan club - David Gerard 14:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it was commissioned from an Internet ad agency, Space150. I would think it's notable enough to rate discussion here, but I'm not going to write it myself. - Jay Maynard 16:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Seeing as we have articles for Randy Constan (Peter Pan) and Tron Guy, I may as well complete the internet celebrity trifecta and create an article for gemsweater queen Leslie Hall. It was nice to see you supporting such a noble cause. RFerreira 22:01, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...I didn't know who Leslie was before hearing about the video project, but she definitely appears to have her own following, as evidenced by a Google Blog Search for the video. (I've got one for myself feeding my LJ friends list, and the comments there are about evenly split between listing me, Leslie, and Randy as the name they were most familiar with.) Jay Maynard 22:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Laugh, no more than 30 minutes in the middle of creating the article for Leslie Hall, another administrator speedy deletes it without warning. That's Wikipedia for you. RFerreira 22:51, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Normal pic

I really think this article needs a picture of Jay Maynard the regular human as well as of TronGuy. Jay, got any work-style photos you wouldn't mind GFDLing? - David Gerard 14:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Not yet, but I'll take one when I get back home and upload (and GFDL) it. - Jay Maynard 15:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

There's a lot of normal and costumed pictures of him on the internet. It's intesting that the current picture on this article is covering the most noticeable part of the costume with his leg. Are you ready for IPv6? (talk) 13:40, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Usenet and Software

I thought he was mentioned for his Usenet (and other fora) presense over 20 years, or the free software he has written. I never heard of this "tron guy" stuff before visiting this page. I think at least his software should be written, to show that he has contributed something more substantial than a 15-minuttes-of-fame joke to the world.--Per Abrahamsen 11:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

A couple of more links from mainstream media

1. Forbes.com has a list up of its Web Celeb 25...I wasn't on that list, but did make a sidebar list of the Unintentionally Famous.
2. Web Junk and VH1 have a list of the 40 Greatest Internet Stars. (Vote for me! :-)

-- Jay Maynard 13:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm a Mac. I'm a PC. I'm Linux.

Latest Tron Guy round from this picture parodying the Apple "I'm a Mac" TV ads. Seems to be making the rounds. Odd, I've gotten two TRON GUY forwards this week, out of the blue. --Allen Huffman 05:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Sources for removed statements

I am the project lead for the Hercules emulator, as can be seen at my home page and the Hercules project page.

The "I'm a Mac" parody was all over the web, including Digg, Fark, and Wil Wheaton's blog. -- Jay Maynard 14:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

New airplane

I don't know if this qualifies as notable or not, but Wired's Underwire blog has a story on a new airplane I purchased to match the costume. The airplane itself is an Aircraft Manufacturing and Design Zodiac XLi. If needed, I'll provide CC-licensed pictures. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 11:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

On one hand it probably does as it adds more to the "Jay Maynard" part of the article (ie non-Tron Guy) - the fact that it's painted to resemble Tron Guy and Jay is dressed as Tron Guy in the Wired article doesn't help matters, though.  :) On the other hand, the article seems to note that Jay is notable for two things, being Tron Guy (primarily), and IBM mainframe work (secondarily). Flying (as well as neoconservativism, ham radio, guns, etc.) are hobbies, but it doesn't seem like he stands out as notable in those fields, so unsure as to where it should go (but talk page is a good place for now, Jay, until we decide!) --Canuckguy (talk) 14:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Tron 2.0 game

He is featured in the Video Game Tron 2.0: Killer App as a program. I am? Where? The game came out before the costume became famous... Jay Maynard (talk) 18:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Is there a TRON Girl?

TRON Girl would be a natural character for Disney to create in the upcoming Tron Legacy movie, you could sell at least 2x many action figures that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikip rhyre (talk • contribs) 22:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Hercules and so-called "free software"

Please do not ascribe to me a viewpoint I do not hold. Hercules rejects the term "free software", and many of its developers - including me - contribute to the project on the explicit basis that it is not part of that world. This has been hashed out at the Talk:Hercules emulator page.

Calling it "free software" here ascribes to me a view that I not only do not hold, but actively disagree with. Please don't count me as a supporter of "free software", the FSF, or Richard M. Stallman, and please don't enlist me on your side of the "free software"/open source war.

I believe calling it "free software" is argument by redefinition, and fundamentally dishonest. It's also a naked attempt to glorify a major restriction of freedom for programmers by nevertheless calling it "free", in the same vein as "War is peace". The concept of freedom is far too valuable to demean it in that manner.

As for "but it's free software anyway", the reverse argument, that "free software" is all open source, is just as valid - yet "free software" zealots reject it out of hand and say "don't co-opt our work!" Well, that sword cuts both ways.

I am not a member of the so-called "free software" movement and never will be. Please don't insult me and misrepresent my views by calling me one. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 13:22, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

You've misread the situation. This has nothing to do with your views, and it is in no way an attempt to ascribe anything to you or to co-opt anyone. Hercules is under a free software licence, so it's free software. Nothing on this page says your a member of the free software movement, or that you support RMS or FSF or GNU or anything else. On your homepage, you can distance yourself from all these things - homepages are the right place for giving your views on things. But Wikipedia is not your homepage. Gronky (talk) 13:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Saying that I manage a free software project ascribes to me the values of the so-called "free software" movement. Please stop doing it. Wikipedia is not a page to push the so-called "free software" POV, either, and that's what you're doing. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 16:03, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

If I say that GCC is under an OSI-approved open source license, and therefore it's open source software, RMS and his minions will descend upon me like an avenging horde. Will you stand there and tell RMS that he's wrong and he should shut up and accept his work being called by a term he despises? If not, then why should I? -- Jay Maynard (talk) 16:15, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Animaniacs

Is the section about being a fan of the Animaniacs and getting to meet the voices of a couple that important? I'm not finding much in the way of sources for it, either. Supernerd11 :D Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 04:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Contributions from User:Jmaynards

The user with the username Jmaynards is not me, and his contributions are incorrect. Out of an abundance of caution, I'm not going to revert them, though; someone else should. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 00:35, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I have reverted the unsourced contributions to which you object. Vadder (talk) 15:29, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 23:16, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

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Jimmy Kimmel Live

A quick Google for "tron guy jimmy kimmel live" turns up several references to my appearances there. I'm not going to add them, but would some other kind soul do so? Thanks. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 17:13, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Notability?

Why is this page on Wikipedia? It seems his entire claim to fame is an internet meme, and yet the subjects of more famous memes (such as Laina Morris) do not have their own articles.