Talk:Japanese war fan

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Harisen

Harisen is now redirecting to this page and, although there is mention the use of fans in anime (e.g. FMP), the term Harisen is not mention on this page and I don't think a Harisen is precisely the same thing as a "war fan" anyway, being made of paper and generally used in stand up comedy. Shiroi Hane 19:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Initially I was going to create a seperate article at harisen, but couldn't find enough information- I think that probably has more to do with my library than anything else :). If you think ou can write up a decent article, go for it.--Sean Black ^(talk) 20:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think Harisen should definitely be a seperate article, if you don't have enough info for wiki-quality, stub tag it and call it a day, but I don't think the right answer to merge it into this peripherally related article. If no one disagrees within a couple of days I'll do it myself. --128.36.184.62 (talk) 19:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit? Why?

I think this article is fine the way it is presented. Sorry if the attention span of some people is too short to read something this "long" - I can imagine what they'd do to "Gone With the Wind"

^^^^ Kat

I can't believe I missed that tag being added. Someone(s) has since reorganized the article, so I'm removing the tag. LordAmeth 23:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added the fact that gunsen fans also could have wood ribs, take a look at the picture I added of a real gunsen and you will see that it has wood ribs and an iron cover. I removed the reference to saihai. Saihai are not fans, they are batons, they identified status and were used for signaling but they were not fans. There are only TWO types of signal fans, a solid open fan (gunbai or gumbai) and a real working fan (gunsen). I also added a picture gallery ..if you make additions to the article do not remove pictures etc, just add your information please..{Samuraiantiqueworld (talk) 06:07, 24 May 2010 (UTC)}[reply]

Tessen image (the folding kind)

Is there an image of the folding kind of tessen somewhere? --User:Angie Y.

Used by Edo Period Police

(Unless I passed it up while reading the page) Why isn't it mentioned that the Iron fan was also used as a weapon by the Edo period police force? The book Taiho-jutsu: Law and Order in the Age of the Samurai has a nice section on it. Please see the following google book scan for useful info on the fan used by the Japanese police. --Ghostexorcist 18:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tessen - folding only?

The article is giving the impression that the Term "Tessen" is only for fans that can be folded. Afaik "Tessen" covers all kinds of "war fans", just meaning a fan that has value in fighting.

The displayed image shows a japanese sign reading "Tessen" while it is obviously the solid metal type. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.189.221.33 (talk) 21:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wanna see the folding type, actually. Angie Y. (talk) 02:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In popular culture (to be rewritten)

Many fictional characters use war fans as weapons in battle: Yumi Ishiyama in the French animated series Code Lyoko uses war fans as her weapons, as do Mai Shiranui of Fatal Fury, King of Fighters, Anji Mito of Guilty Gear X, Kitana of Mortal Kombat, and Temari from Naruto fights with a giant fan with three purple circles. (Sasuke Uchiha's family crest in Naruto is a stylized uchiwa; this may be a pun based on the fact that the hiragana character for 'ha' is sometimes read as 'wa'.) In Shadow Hearts: Covenant a fortune teller by the name of Lucia also uses war fans for fighting and keeping her cool. Kagura from the anime InuYasha wields a fan to use her powers. Tasuki from Fushigi Yūgi is also known for wielding a flaming tessen. The Kyoshi Island Warriors from Avatar: The Last Airbender use metal fans as their primary weapon and even utilize retractable fans as wrist shields. Yori from the cartoon show Kim Possible wields a pair of Tessen in the third season episode "Gorilla Fist." Hakuoro, the masked protagonist of Utawarerumono, fights with a metal fan in all his battles. In Super Mario RPG, one of Princess Toadstool's weapons is a War Fan. In the game Soulcalibur III, certain classes in Character Creation Mode can equip war fans. In recognition of the aforementioned conflict at Kawanakajima, Takeda Shingen wields a dansen uchiwa in Samurai Warriors and Samurai Warriors 2 the character Ishida Mitsunari also from the same game wields a tessen. Several playable characters in the Dynasty Warriors video game franchise wield war fans in battle.

War fans have also been named as shukusen in some popular culture. An example of this is in Tamora Pierce's Quartet: Protector of the Small. In this set of books, Yamani women wield deadly metal fans which they use for decoration, complex fan dances and self-defense. It is interesting to note that Yamani culture is partly based on historical Japanese culture. In the film The Last Samurai one of the samurai is briefly seen practicing with a war fan before the final battle of the movie. Retsu Fukami/GekiBlue of Juken Sentai Gekiranger uses a special war fan after learning Fierce Beast (GekiJū) Bat-Fist from Fist Sage Bat Li. In the anime Fushigi Yūgi, one of the seven Suzaku seishi, Tasuki, uses a metal fan that can emit flame.

Ghostexorcist

The source is wikipedia (internal links). THE WHOLE ARTICLE HAS NO EXTERNAL SOURCES AT ALL why won't you go and delete EVERYTHING HERE? Eh? You may also google it, if you don't believe me. You may also place a "citation needed" tag, or even "unreferenced section" (in the unreferenced ARTICLE, yes). But there's just no excuse for such vandalism. --Asperchu (talk) 17:32, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Using internal links to source something is against Wikipedia policy. See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Wikipedia_and_sources_that_mirror_or_use_it. The list has been on the page for a very long time and not a single person has never tried to source the material. It is better to remove it until sources can be found. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 17:41, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wo, why do you delete only this section? I don't see any references ANYWHERE here? --Asperchu (talk) 17:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the "References" section a book is listed. This covers the historical material. Page numbers would be nice, but it still covers it. The pop culture has nothing to support anything. I would like to remind you of WP:Civil. There is no reason to yell with capital letters on the talk page and in edit summaries. You are coming vary close to breaking the WP:3RR rule. If you make more than 3 reverts in 24 hours, you can be blocked from editing. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 17:54, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever. I'll provide you the references. It will be THE ONLY referenced section of this whole article (which is supposdly based on one book). Funny, eh? Now go and give it a tag. --Asperchu (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References for that section is all I wanted in the first place.

Again, I'm going to remind you of WP:Civil. Please calm your tone down a bit. You can be blocked for uncivilness as well. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 17:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's been almost a month and none of the promised sources have been added to the popular culture section. I'm going to delete it again in a week because the section is simply a dumping ground for mentions of the fan in various media. A quick study of the edit history shows this has been a problem for a very long time. I am doing this because I would like the article to be at a higher standard. This is an encyclopedia after all. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 16:47, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I actually gave the editor an extra week and then some. As promised, I removed the section due to a long history of it being uncited. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 12:50, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done, lol. Also, cleanup. And yeah, some of this was actually just harisen and such. Now maybe you'll move your ass and provide at least 1 (one) reference for the rest of the content, instead of just sitting there and complaining about the lack of them? Also, Military Communication of Feudal Japan (and the whole category too) needs to be renamed, because of Random Capitalization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asperchu (talk • contribs)

Thank you for the references, but I have warned you about your uncivil tone before. If you continue to leave such comments I will report you to admins. This can lead to having your editing privileges suspended for a given time.

Again, a book is referenced at the bottom of the page. If you can prove the book doesn't contain the historical information mentioned in the article, free free to remove it. If not, there is no reason to keep on bringing this up.--Ghostexorcist (talk) 16:52, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]