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"not in the same infraclass" ???

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Both the serow and the deer are in order artiodactyla, even-toed ungulates. What do you mean by "not in the same infraclass"??? Please clarify and/or correct. Dr Dima (talk) 21:11, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Classification

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Binomial classification appears to be disputed. Which will it be? Stepp-Wulf 03:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It doesn't appear to be disputed anymore. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination

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-山地

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I can't find an offical translation of -山地 when used in e.g. 関東山地, but this seems to translate it as "Kanto Mountains", so I'm going to follow that. Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:04, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sasata (talk · contribs) 23:58, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'll review this article. Comments in a few days. Sasata (talk) 23:58, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, some comments to get us started: Sasata (talk) 04:10, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The parameter accepts multiple citations, so I added it there. Sasata (talk) 17:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Phylogenetically Capricornis is closer to goats and sheep than cattle." please link goats, sheep, cattle – they are relevant links when discussing phylogenetic relationships. What is the basis of this purported phylogenetic closeness, is it based on DNA sequences (if so, what genes/DNA regions?) or morphology, or both? This PMID 15179056 paper looks like it might have some more information about this
  • "There is some uncertainty about the publication date; it may have been 1845." According to Mammalian Species of the World (listed in External links; would be good to use this as a source instead), it was published in 1836; might it be possible to track down this original publication and add it as a citation?
Hmmm, investigating further, this 2011 source by Groves and Grubb say the basionym should be attributed to Radde in 1862, not Temminck 1845. Have you come across this in any of your sources? Sasata (talk) 17:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This (Mead 1989) says Radde mistook N. g. caudatus (a goral) for C. crispus in 1862: "Radde (1862) incorrectly supposed his animal to be the same as the Japanese "Antilope crispa" (=Capricornis). Radde's specimen is the type of N. g. caudatus." Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It means "curled", but I can only find botanical sources for this. If you're ok with using a botanical source (like this, but there's lots on Google Books if you can't see that one) for an article on a mammal, it might be worthwhile to include this. Sasata (talk) 17:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I had found what the traslation was, but I assumed I needed a source in the context of C. crispus. That's not the case? Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:17, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's best to find a context-specific explanation of the etymology, but this would be acceptable if you can't. Just word it carefully (e.g. The specific epithet crispa is derived from the Latin word for "curled".)
Ah, I read it as wide distribution (globally); perhaps "wide distribution in Japan" or similar? Sasata (talk) 17:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done'. Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:19, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Foresters in Gifu Prefecture have justified the shooting of serows in the legs, as such shooting would not be fatal." I don't understand this … wouldn't shooting them in the leg be cruel and unusual?
  • captions that are not complete sentences do not required fullstops
  • has/is serow been hunted for food? Is there any trade in serow fur? Are dried and ground up horns (or other harvested body parts) used in traditional medicine?
  • might it be possible to use the further reading listings as sources in the article?
I think so; there's dozens of articles that could go there equally well, so it's probably best not to encourage others to add to it. Sasata (talk) 17:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:27, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for the very thorough review of this article. I do have to admit that biology is not my specialty—I'll require some hand-holding, I'm afraid, for the more technical aspects. I hope the article's not so below the threshold that it'll result in not passing ... asking for help at WikiProject Mammals and a Peer Review both went without response. Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:36, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to pass this article now, as I think it meets all of the GA criteria. All images have appropriate licenses. For FAC, I think you'll need to delve a bit deeper into the literature to meet the "comprehensive" and "well-researched" criteria. For examples, a search for "Japanese serow" on pubmed turns up 63 articles; many are too technical or deal with serow parasites, but there are some I'd ask about at FAC. Examples: PMID 16137494, PMID 24057256, PMID 19267649, PMID 11356292, PMID 9591368, PMID 9090995, PMID 8593314, PMID 8868213, PMID 7339141. A Web of Knowledge search turns up more than 400 articles; again, most are not really useful, but a literature search should be made (concentrate on literature from the past decade or so, as secondary literature will probably have covered the older stuff). You can often get copies of articles by asking at WP:RX (or ask me, I have pretty good access through my university account). Good luck! Sasata (talk) 16:43, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Some studies on morphology

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Hello, in my free time, i like to search for weights studies of mammals. I currently have weight studies of about 2300 species and about 9000 entries that I oversee thoroughly.

Here are some on this animal, that might or might not be in the article (but i'm thinking not !) :

  • Sugimura, M., Suzuki, Y., Kita, I., Ide, Y., Kodera, S., & Yoshizawa, M. (1983). Prenatal Development of Japanese Serows, Capricornis crispus, and Reproduction in Females. Journal of Mammalogy, 64(2), 302–304. doi:10.2307/1380561
  • Miura, S. 1986. Body and horn growth patterns in the Japanese serow, Capricornis crispus. J. Mammal. Soc. Jpn., 11: 1-13.
  • Honda, K., Tatsukawa, R., & Miura, S. (1987). Body and organ weights of free-ranging Japanese serow. The Journal of wildlife management, 678-680.
  • Ginsberg, J. R., and D. I. Rubenstein. “Sperm Competition and Variation in Zebra Mating Behavior.” Behavioral Ecology and Sociobiology 26, no. 6 (1990): 427–34.
  • Weckerly, F. W. (1998). Sexual-Size Dimorphism: Influence of Mass and Mating Systems in the Most Dimorphic Mammals. Journal of Mammalogy, 79(1), 33–52. doi:10.2307/1382840
  • Berger, J., & Gompper, M. E. (1999). Sex Ratios in Extant Ungulates: Products of Contemporary Predation or Past Life Histories? Journal of Mammalogy, 80(4), 1084–1113. doi:10.2307/1383162
  • Ochiai, K., & Susaki, K. (2002). Effects of territoriality on population density in the Japanese serow (Capricornis crispus). Journal of Mammalogy, 83(4), 964-972. (this reference is in the article)

Just wanted to help this page a bit ! I hope Curly Turkey was still here. It seems like a very passionated user. Gimly24 (talk) 15:44, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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