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Casualties Aboard Chikuma and Nowaki

Under the heading Battle of Leyte Gulf it states: “On 26 October 1944, Nowaki was sunk by gunfire from USS Vincennes, Biloxi and USS Miami and DesDiv 103's USS Miller, USS Owen and USS Lewis Hancock. It sank 65 miles SSE of Legaspi, Philippines with about 1,400 men including all but one of Chikuma's surviving crewmen.”

The Wiki articles indicate that Nowaki had a complement of 240 and Chikuma 874 which would only total 1,114. CombinedFleet.com (www.combinedfleet.com) indicates Nowaki had a complement of 240 and Chikuma 850 which would only total 1,090 men, both totals far short of the 1,400 casualties mentioned on the Chikuma Wiki page. And this assumes that all the crew got off the sinking Chikuma and aboard the doomed Nowaki. One can wonder at the image of little Nowaki with an additional 850 men on her decks and her skipper struggling to prevent a capsize while engaged in the largest naval battle in history. It is interesting to note that CombinedFleet.com does not give total casuality figures for the Nowaki sinking only “Lost with all hands, including CHIKUMA survivors.” StyloK (talk) 23:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Report of Dead External Links

The two external links listed below do not appear to be working (HTTP 404 error message).

Tabular record: CombinedFleet.com: Chikuma history (Retrieved 26 January 2007.)

Gallery: US Navy Historical Center''

The TROM for Chikuma can be found here: http://combinedfleet.com/chikuma_t.htm StyloK (talk) 23:28, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Geared turbine?

What exactly is an "oil geared turbine"? I believe all turbines have oiled gears. Is this some sort of fluid coupling, or what?.45Colt 19:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistencies in articles "USS Samuel B. Roberts", "Japanese cruiser Chokai", and "Japanese cruiser Chikuma"

Regarding the Battle off Samar, the article "USS Samuel B. Roberts" reports that that vessel severed the stern of Chokai, set her bridge afire, then fought her famous gunnery duel with Chikuma, causing damage to that ship's superstructure.

The article "Japanese cruiser Chokai" does not mention USS Samuel B. Roberts; attributes severe damage to a gun hit from an escort carrier destroying her torpedoes; and does not mention any torpedo hits in that engagement.

The article "Japanese cruiser Chikuma" reports that it was Chikuma who had her stern severed, but attributes the torpedo attack to TBF Avengers. It also makes no mention of USS Samuel B. Roberts.

Can these three articles be brought into agreement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.9.21.230 (talk) 19:26, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well certainly they should be in agreement, but the battle off Samar was whirlwind event, with many aircraft engaging at the same time as the surface action, some of these aircraft attacks were with torpedoes or bombs, and many of the these attacks were not. Many of those involved did not survive the war. Sources may be in conflict but I do not know if the narratives were derived from conflicting sources or if there is just a general confusion about these events. We would need to find a reliable source to sort it out. The Combined Fleet website might be a good place to start, but any good source would do. If you have one good ahead and make the necessary changes. Gunbirddriver (talk) 02:42, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently it was Chikuma which had its stern severed by an aerial torpedo launched from an Avenger from Taffy 2. Chokai suffered several hits from fire from a number of vessels that morning, but the Escort Carrier White Plains was identified as being the most likely ship to have damaged her. Some eight minutes after the gunnery exchange a secondary explosion from her torpedoes caused significant damage to the ship. Destroyer USS Johnston is said to have caused significant damage to the Kumano. No specifics given on damage inflicted by the USS Samuel B. Roberts.

See: http://www.combinedfleet.com/chokai_t.htm

Gunbirddriver (talk) 03:13, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Aircraft mentioned

"Nakajima E4N2 Type 90-2" - is E4N2 correct? Or should it be E8N? And if not, what did this aricraft look like? WIkipedia has no info on "Nakajima E4N2 Type 90-2" 2A00:20:A016:B27D:303C:EF0C:B51F:E8FC (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:33, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]