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Homosexuality allegations

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Viewers like to claim that Janek and Honza are husbands, but nobody offered a source for that claim. Most recently, @GamerPooper added a screen grab from their video of Honza's marriage (according to the source video) with the claim that it is their marriage. I don't think people should add this claim back unless they also find an actual reliable source for the claim. Considering that they mentioned Honza having a wife and Janek having a girlfriend in their videos, it is unlikely. — Marvin talk 14:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MarvinCZ I can assure you that they're married. It's 100% truth. Why hide it? Just because of those stupid homophobes? It's their problem that they live in the stone age. So if someone stops watching Honest guide because of homophobia, so be it! They will miss out cool content, in the end they will make it worse for themselves. 2003:EE:5703:6BA2:94FC:B87D:B14B:82CB (talk) 14:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your personal conviction is not the standard for inclusion on Wikipedia. You must provide a Reliable source. I also know that it is not true but that isn't so important. If it isn't supported by a good source, you can't make that claim in a Wikipedia article. — Marvin talk 14:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MarvinCZ how do you know they're not a couple then? 2003:EE:5703:6BA2:94FC:B87D:B14B:82CB (talk) 15:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not important for the article - if it doesn't have a reliable source, it doesn't go in. That applies just as much to what I personally know. This is an encyclopedia, not a place for unverified gossip. — Marvin talk 15:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please, don't just revert the changes without adding any source for the claim. — Marvin talk 16:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you really need to hear how I know they are not a couple, one sourced reason is the image you are adding to the article (edit: or rather the clip it comes from). Janek in the video where it's taken from says that it is from Honza's wedding. Honza's, not their wedding. Additional personal observations from that image: Janek appears to me dressed like a typical groomsman and they are both looking at a person of whom we see a little, including a white veil, who I assume is Honza's wife. I believe Honza's wife and Janek's girlfriend were also mentioned in a video. I don't have those on hand but that shouldn't matter - I'm not adding any claims to the article. I am commenting on the lack of a source for a statement that is being added. — Marvin talk 16:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I posted about this issue on the Biographies of living persons Noticeboard. You can also voice your opinion there. — Marvin talk 17:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An image of their wedding is not enough. What we need are reliable secondary sources reporting that they are married. If no reliable secondary source has decided their marriage is significant enough to report, then so be it. This is the norm for all living persons, whatever their sexuality and was what I came here to say from BLPN (barring the sexuality bit) before I even visited this article. I'm not particularly familiar with Czech names so I had no idea of Honza's gender identity. I'd that note for a lot of people, their private lives are often largely separate from their public ones, again whatever their sexuality and secondary sources often respect that. So it's hardly uncommon we have no details one a subjects marriage. Since for better or worse, there are a lot more people in straight relationships including marriages, this means we actually have far more people in such marriages where we don't report such details. Nil Einne (talk) 01:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, I replied without reading Marvin's comment, although I did read what they said at BLPN. My comment was based on the assumption there is a video where they clear identify as married spouses e.g. Rubeš and Mikulka said "today was our wedding, we're so happy to finally be joined as one" or something where it was clear they were married to each other and clearly not a joke or they included it on YouTube profile that they're married or something; since I felt it easier to approach it like that since ultimately we would still not include even in such a case. If it's unclear from the video if they're even married to each other, this is even more reason not to include it, and also an example of why great care needs to be taken with primary sources generally. 02:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC) Nil Einne (talk) 02:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I saw this at BLP/N. This is ridiculous. We can not use a photo and a clip from a YouTube video for this ridiculous claim. In fact, one only needs to look at Honza Mikulka's Instagram account, and see that he is married, and has a baby, and has posted multiple pics of his wife and baby on his Insta, and has also posted on his Twitter account, photos of him and his wife having Sunday brunch, and you can also see he is wearing that same gray suit seen in that other photograph. GamerPooper is a SPA with only 5 edits to their account, and all of them to this article. If they continue adding this nonsense (aka contentious material), their edits should be reverted per WP:3RRBLP, and they should be pblocked from editing this article. Isaidnoway (talk) 07:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for the links. I don't follow Honza's socials so I wasn't sure how much of the information is public. The Twitter photo in the suit is actually the wedding announcement for the wedding referenced in the YouTube clip and image. Not only does the suit match, but the wedding location is also what was mentioned in that clip. The top of the bride's head that can be barely seen in the clip also matches the announcement photo. I hope this convinces GamerPooper that the claim really has no place in the article. — Marvin talk 10:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't follow Honza's socials either, I found them through a simple google search. If GP does return to this article and starts re-adding it, please don't hesitate to report them for edit-warring and violations of the BLP policy. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 14:14, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Those pictures are a cover-up. The reason they're hiding their sexual life is that many Czechs treat homosexuality poorly due to the soviet legacy. Also, Janek has a lot of viewers from e.g. Arabic coutries. He's afraid that people would unsubscribe because of his homosexuality. But in my opinion it's ridiculous to hide it because of some uneducated homophobes. Being gay is NORMAL and no one is allowed to be discriminated in the EU. 2003:EE:5703:6B86:8572:D07A:689:5B2D (talk) 15:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The question of whether or not Rubeš is gay is only half of it. Even mention of a marriage falls under WP:BLP. Without a reliable, secondary source specifically and unambiguously stating that the two are married, we shouldn't mention it on Wikipedia. Woodroar (talk) 16:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) See WP:RGW. If no sources have reported this alleged marriage then we don't either. If you think this is unfair, take this up with reliable secondary sources not us. However it's quite likely any decent source that we will consider using will say there's absolutely no reason for us to report something that the individuals involved have decided to keep private. Actually given your comment, even if a few reliable secondary sources did report it, we would have to seriously consider not including it since WP:BLPPRIVACY etc suggests we shouldn't mention personal details unrelated to the reasons for the subject's notability which the subject has decided to keep private when the subject is fairly low profile. Nil Einne (talk) 16:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are some discussions on the Hungarian media about possible homosexuality of Rubes. 2003:EE:5703:6B86:8572:D07A:689:5B2D (talk) 17:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To be completely frank, that doesn't matter on Wikipedia. At this point, we're not going to mention either element of this story short of (a) Rubeš disclosing his orientation with subsequent coverage in reliable sources, and (b) widespread coverage in reliable sources of a marriage. Woodroar (talk) 17:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There ARE several sources.
    1. Someone mentioned here in the Talk that they saw Janek and Honza holding hands in Prague.
    2. Hungarian media (right-wing, they cover it as if homosexuality was bad, typical Orban propaganda but still they have sources)
    3. Someone on YouTube mentioned under their last video that they studied with Janek in Zlin and confirm that he is gay.
    Still not enough? The only reason they're hiding it is homophobia in Czechia and some other countries. They're afraid people would stop watching them. So after the first homosexuality allegations some months ago Honza started to post pictures with his "family" on Instagram, to prove it "wrong". 2003:EE:5703:6B14:95A8:CBB:814D:1E4F (talk) 14:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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