Talk:Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Act, 2019/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: TrangaBellam (talk · contribs) 17:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for taking this up. I will start addressing the comments today. DTM (talk) 02:44, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Excellent improvements are already visible. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

TrangaBellam, thank you for the comments! Please have a look. Have the comments been addressed adequately? DTM (talk) 13:15, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

TrangaBellam, now that the 'first comments' have been addressed, do you have any other comments? If you feel the need, you could close this GA or ask for a second opinion. DTM (talk) 12:05, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

First Comments

• Need more discussion on Presidential Order C.O. 272 —the basis of this bill— and how it has been widely held to be unconstitutional by legal scholars.

• My emphasis on legal scholars. Not political parties, who are partisan by default. I am sure that Noorani, Bhatia et al have written something.

More discussion on presidential orders added. Noorani quote added. I have already added a reference from Bhatia, will summarise it inline as well. DTM (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Nice. Another source. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

• The imposing of restrictions included the blocking of internet and phone services and Government of India data showed that thousands of arrests were made were widely held to be in violation of human rights. No mention in our article.

Added content related to rights. DTM (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• The bill caused pandemonium in the Rajya Sabha. - Why? It is obvious that they opposed the bill but why was the opposition so severe? Or, are such situations common for every bill that fails to secure a bipartisan consensus?

• Much of the article reads like superficial commentary without really probing anything in depth.

I removed the line on 'pandemonium'. The following lines speak for themselves— "two members ... tore up copies of the Indian constitution in protest, following which they were suspended from the House;... 13 members ... walked out of the House; and 6 members ... boycotted the voting" DTM (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• There's a table of "Rajya Sabha voting". Please collapse it. NOM isn't clear - use a mouse-tip.

• What about the equivalent for Lok Sabha?

Shifted to the talk page. References do not cover the voting completely. DTM (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Rm the second and third columns from the table of List of Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Orders.

Done, replaced with a single column. DTM (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• A number of political parties including Jammu and Kashmir Apni Party and the Jammu unit of BJP opposed the order and showed discontentment.

• Why?

Done, DTM (talk) 03:39, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• Among the changes were modifications to the land laws which now allowed those from other states to buy land in the UT.

• And? How was this received vis-a-vis charges of pushing a settler-colonial agenda? See 1, 2, Ather Zia etc.

Added a line. These changes in domicile rules have been compared academically to reinforcing settler colonialism in the region,[137] and Patrick Wolfe's models of colonialism. DTM (talk) 12:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

With regard to the redlink, there are not enough sources to create an article for Draft: Ather Zia. However there are works authored/co-authored by her that can be used in the article such as this. DTM (talk) 14:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

• Copy the second paragraph from this section to the article.

Copied with edits and new referencing DTM (talk) 13:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• How did the civil society respond to this bill?

• Much of discussion in prominent media outlets have been framed around how an entire state was muzzled at gun-point, and a bill (concerning their future) was passed. I am not seeing anything on those aspects.

 Working DTM (talk) 14:25, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Added content related to this... DTM (talk) 02:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

• An interesting source says,

  In November 2019, India’s consul-general in New York was captured on camera speaking to a private audience on the reforms executed by the Indian government in Jammu and Kashmir, explicitly citing Israeli settlements as a source of inspiration. “We already have a model in the world,” he said. “If the Israeli people can do it, we can also do it.”

  If reported by other outlets, this needs to go in.

Added a line. DTM (talk) 12:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• I am not sure about the relevance of a picture of Parliament, and the inside of the Lok Sabha. Please remove them; they are distracting. I would rather prefer to have a snap of the house, when the pandemonium was underway.

Removed. DTM (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• The DDC elections were largely held as a sham. We need a line on that.

Added a line. Rather than on the conduct of elections, it is mainly on the DDC body in consideration. Even though 220 candidates were fielded by the Gupkar Alliance, some of those elected were dissatisfied post elections, accusing the government of creating a powerless body. DTM (talk) 12:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Coming back

• Reading the article, afresh. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:57, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
• The % of religious majority shall be written and positioned in the same way for both the cases.
• Reframe Violence and unrest persisted in the Indian-administered Muslim majority areas. I do not like it.
• What is the relevance of 2014 election?
• You need to be clear that these elections were to the national legislature. Otherwise, it seems that we are talking 'bout Kashmir State.
• The Amarnath warning was a false-alarm to move troops. So say sources.
• Preemptive moves always precede any event - do you see where I am aiming at?
• Why are we using verbs like will in the "Statutory provisions" section? I am not a native speaker and might be wrong; sounded a tad off.
• I am curious about the 153 state laws and Governor's Acts that got repealed. That is a huge number - what are the net effects? We have nothing on the topic.
• More clarity in the "C.O. 272, C.O. 273, statutory resolutions" section.

• endorsing the same - What does this mean? Read in light of the previous line, it seems that they were affirming C. O. 272. Which was not the case?
• except the one which says that all provisions and amendments of [..] - Any reader will be surprised. If this clause was already there, how were Kashmir special? You can take help of footnotes.
• It is always better to take a chronological approach. Shift up the (currently) last line on C.O. 272.
• Need a line on the contents of Art 370 (3) — that it is the section which governed how Art 370 might be edited.
• Won't a more-appropriate section name be, "C.O. 272, statutory resolutions, C.O. 273"? O simply, "prelude?"

• Why are we even discussing such a tangent section? Because, had Art. 370 not be effectively nullified, this reorganization bill was sheer unconstitutional. Need that.
• What is the "National and international media" section doing there? Please remove the section.
• What is the relevance of "Killings and militant recruitment?" Did BJP claim that partitioning into two UTs will bring down militancy?

Status query

TrangaBellam, DTM, where does this review stand? As far as I can tell, DTM has not addressed any of the issues that were raised back on 24 November, and if there is any more to come from TrangaBellam, it's been over two months since they posted here. Unless DTM plans to return soon to work on the issues raised, this should probably be closed in the near future. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:49, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

TrangaBellam, thank you for carrying this review forward with the comments. I wanted to pace my response to your comments but I have not been able to do so. If someone else... that is unsaid. I will read up more, and address your comments otherwise. It is also unsaid that I would like to renominate this at a later stage and continue to see this through. Please do close this. DTM (talk) 14:09, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

DTM, I posted a note to TrangaBellam's talk page in case they weren't seeing the pings here. Though they have been active editing since then, they have not closed this, so I am doing so for them. Thank you for your patience, and best of luck with improving the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:05, 5 March 2022 (UTC)