Talk:Jamie Dornan/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 13:13, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:13, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Images are appropriately licensed. Earwig shows an overlap with this site but after looking at a couple of other articles it appears they took the text from Wikipedia, not vice versa. Similarly this site appears to have copied from the article.

• "He is not interested in those usual ticks that can make up so many colourful, eye-catching parts": this is faithful to the source, but per MOS:TYPOFIX "ticks" should be corrected to "tics".
• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • 2kiwis.nz -- seems to be a personal website
  • malemodelscene.net -- looks professional but I can't find anything about editorial policy or control. It's used to cite "appeared solo in Calvin Klein's underwear campaign"; why is "solo" worth mentioning?
  • thefashionisto.com -- per this it's a one-person website.
  • tvwise.co.uk -- per this page in 2012 it seems to have been a one-person website. I tried to take a look at the live site but my browser warned me about malware which is not a good sign for reliability.
  • themoviefiftyshadesofgrey.com -- the about us page is not coming up for me on archive.org but it seems to be a fansite.
  • this video -- seems to be a private youtube channel.

I'll continue the review once these are addressed. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:40, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Mike Christie, I have done couple of stuff with the sources.

• I have replaced 2kiwis.nz with an ABC News article.
• Have removed a possible fansite that you mentioned.
• Replaced tvwise with Digitalspy reference.
• Fixed "ticks" with "tics".

But I couldn't find any alternate for fashionisto. And I also found Male Model scene professional initially but they truly don't have "terms of use and conditions" sorta stuff. Maybe you can take a look at their about us section. Fitzwilliams (talk) 10:53, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I've struck the ones you've fixed. I took another look at Male Model Scene but the grammar errors in the "About" page (e.g. "MMSCENE is non-for-profit fashion and culture basis organization which aim at further development of research on MMSCENE values, as well as on providing educational services") make me think it might be just a fashion fan's personal site. I think without any more evidence, the three remaining ones should probably be removed too, along with whatever you citing to them. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:06, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay, then I will remove Terry Richardson mention (with "fashionisto" citation) and solo appearance mention (with "male model scene" citation). And the video, I Had something to tell about it. The video is uploaded on a personal channel, but the channel with username "Ian Drysdale" seems to be owned by the father of the child for whom the campaign was arranged. "Go team Anna" was for Anna Drysdale whose father is Ian Drysdale. So do you think the video can stay there? Fitzwilliams (talk) 11:23, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't think so -- I think it would be best to remove it. See the note on youtube here; if the video was on an official verified account of Dornan's we could use that. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:40, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I have removed it. Hope you can review now. Once again, thanks for your time. Fitzwilliams (talk) 12:06, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• There are a couple of unsourced sentences -- check the end of each paragraph. There are three in the "Acting" section, and a couple of sentences in the "Acting credits and awards" section.

Spotchecks. Footnote numbers refer to this version:

• FN 65 cites "He later stated that initially he was reluctant about his involvement in the project and knew the franchise would not be treated well by critics." Verified.
• FN 79 cites "Dornan then appeared in two comedy films, Wild Mountain Thyme (2020) and Barb and Star Go to Vista Del Mar (2021). He won plaudits from critics for his musical number and comedic turn in Barb and Star." The source doesn't mention Wild Mountain Thyme.
• FN 87 cites "He received nominations for the Golden Globe Award and Critics' Choice Movie Award for Best Supporting Actor. The film was nominated for Best Picture at the 94th Academy Awards." The source only covers the Academy Awards, not the first sentence.
• FN 93 cites "In 2017, he participated in a charity football match, Game 4 Grenfell, to provide aid to the victims of Grenfell Tower fire in West London that year." This says he was going to participate but unfortunately we can't use it to say he did participate -- people pull out of these things for all kinds of reasons.
• FN 48 cites "While Graham was killed by the town's mayor Regina/the Evil Queen in the episode "The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter", Dornan stated that he would return as the Huntsman from the Enchanted Forest at some point. He returned as the Huntsman for the season finale "A Land Without Magic", and later as Graham for the season two episode "Welcome to Storybrooke" in its flashback segment. About his performance, Laura Prudom of The Huffington Post wrote: "Irish-born Jamie Dornan did an excellent job of portraying Graham's hopelessness and confusion"." I don't see support for "stated he would return", or for the mention of the later episodes he appeared in. And unfortunately this source also probably needs to be removed, unless you can make a cause that Laura Prudom is a subject matter expert; there's a note at the top of the page saying "This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site." That means this doesn't fall under the editorial control of HuffPost; it's just a blog post and so is unreliable.
• FN 71 cites "For the film, he received his third nomination for best actor in a leading role in Irish Film and Television Award. In the same year, he starred as Jan Kubiš, alongside Cillian Murphy in another war film Anthropoid. Rupert Hawksley of The Daily Telegraph felt that he made a decent fist of portraying Kubis and said: "Nazi nail-biter Anthropoid shows Jamie Dornan has many more than 50 shades"." I'm having trouble accessing this, but at least the first sentence is not supported.
• FN 82 cites "Some critics supposed him to be a miscast." This is the opinion of only one critic, and he doesn't really say he was miscast.

I'm going to stop there and fail this nomination. The spotcheck for a GA has to come up clean; if just one or two of these had had problems I would ask you to fix them and then done more, but finding six issues from seven checks means that it's best to fail it, and give you time to go through and check all the sources to make sure they accurately cover the text they cite. Each citation has to support all the information it is used for, and avoid close paraphrasing. I didn't see any close paraphrasing issues here.

I also notice some prose issues while reading through the article. I'll list a few examples here of things I think need to be fixed. You could try asking the GOCE for a copyedit, or see if anyone else interested in the article is willing to help out.

• "He credited The Fall to be the turning point of his career." "Credited to be" isn't natural wording.
• "Some critics supposed him to be a miscast." "Miscast" can't be used as a noun.
• "Due to busy filming schedule, he stepped down from the patronage in 2021": should be "his busy filming schedule", and "stepped down from the patronage" is odd; would be more natural as "stepped down from his role as a patron".
• "but he had always wanted to act and was steadfast in proving his acting abilities": you can't be steadfast in proving something; steadfast refers to someone's attitude, not to their actions. You could say "he was steadfast in his determination to prove".
• "Dornan's modelling significance was his look": odd phrasing. Do you mean his looks were his main asset as a model? If so, surely that's true for all models?
• "Being a "model turned actor", Dornan stated that the designation held significant stigma concerning such transition." Again, this is very oddly phrased.

The article seems to have the appropriate structure; I think once you've done the source-text integrity checks, and the article's been copyedited, it would be very much worth nominating again. Best of luck with it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:58, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I really needed the suggestions! I will work on them and see if I can nominate it up again soon. Have a good day. Fitzwilliams (talk) 14:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC)