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Fast-check

Please fact-check! I have changed the spelling of James' last name from "Ormond" or "Ormonde" which is the spelling of the Earldom in Wikipedia. It could be that the previous spelling was correct. I have also cleaned up the article to the best of my ability, though I cannot fact check it beyond that. JRP 04:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Questioning Facts

The name is still spelled without the "e" in the article; i don't know if it was changed back, or never changed, or what. But more importantly, the whole article has questionable facts, even when checked against other Wiki-articles (Witikles?). James is called the son of John, the 6th Earl; but John apparently died unmarried. Even worse, John could hardly have been born before 1408 (his father, James, the 4th Earl, was born in 1392), which makes it highly unlikely that John would be fathering children, even illegitimately, by 1418. My understanding (which is easily flawed) is that a peer's bastard might have been given the name of the title as a surname, which would mean "Ormonde"; if James was not legitimate that would reduce his ability to have succeeded to the title, especially when his uncle Thomas was a legitimate and living heir. Conversely, if he were legitimate, his name would have to be James Butler. Cheers. Lindsay H. 09:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Facts Given

Read The Butler family of Ireland. 1st thru. 7th Earls. 9th Volume. By T. Blake Butler Printed privately in 1962 in the U.K.. John Ormond the brother of Sir James Ormond spelled his last name as Ormond,it is also on his Brass tomb plate. They also had other brothers William and Edward Ormond. His fathers marriage may have taken place, but the records were lost. Cheers Randall O

Born before his father was born.

John Butler, 6th Earl of Ormond was born before 1449 so this person cannot be his son. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article is a mess

The templates need to be fixed ASAP as the article is a complete mess at the moment!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have since fixed it. All templates need to be placed at the top of the page so as to avoid breaking up prose.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article's name needs to be changed

The article needs to be moved to James Ormond as the e was not used until the 17th century.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Butler–FitzGerald dispute

I have redirected the title Butler–FitzGerald dispute to here. There is still Talk:Butler–FitzGerald dispute separate. The "chancing one's arm" trivia I have reduced to a footnote. Of course the Butler–FitzGerald dispute lasted a lot longer than the cathedral affray; longer indeed than the lifetimes of the principals in that affray. jnestorius^(talk) 01:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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