Talk:James Murray (Polish navy)

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On 12 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Jakub Mora. The result of the discussion was moved to James Murray (Polish navy).

Proper Title?

Shouldn't this article be renamed Jakub Mora? The redirect may not be sufficient for the average English reader. Dr. Dan 03:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 May 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to James Murray (Polish navy). There is consensus that James Murray is the common name in English-language sources and that he was not an admiral. (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

James Murray (admiral) → Jakub Mora – Nothing in the article indicates that this subject was actually an admiral, a rank higher than a captain; however, rather than move to a different disambiguator, I think it would be cleanest to move this to the name the subject was known by during his period of notable activities. BD2412 T 00:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The name "Jakub Mora" is not used in any English source I can find. e.g. in Gbooks, "Jakub Mora" produces only 1 result, whereas "James Murray" seems to yield up quite more (exact numbers difficult, because of the commonness of the name, but just scanning through the results conditioned by Polish fleet, navy and/or Sigismund, there are plenty about this particular James Murray). If admiral sticks in the craw, then move it to "James Murray (shipbuilder)" or "James Murray (Polish navy)" would do. Walrasiad (talk) 07:56, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move to James Murray (Polish navy) per Walrasiad. The name Jakub Mora doesn't seem to have sufficient English usage, but I think it does seem sensible to avoid the word "admiral", as Murray doesn't seem to have reached that level of command. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 21:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.