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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

See also: Snooker to-do list

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:James Cahill (snooker player)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: DanCherek (talk · contribs) 22:15, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your work on this article! I will be reviewing this against the GA criteria and will post my comments below. DanCherek (talk) 22:15, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Source for career winnings?
- removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe wikilink European Under 21 Championships to EBSA European Under-21 Snooker Championships
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not familiar with the concept of a "money-list" and noticed that the term is used only in the lead and not in the body
- I've expanded in both the body and the lede. This is the prize money for the prior season. Basically, despite Cahill not being on the tour, he was the second highest ranked player over the 2018-19 season who wasn't in the top 64 in the world. (He actually ranked a lot higher than that, which is mental for someone not on the tour, as the one-year list is designed for people on the tour who have a poor first season.) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Career

His father's name is Patrick, not Peter, per BBC source
Seems weird to give match results for all except for Darryl Hill, maybe include that 5–1?
Is there a source for "only ever occurrence of a whitewash in the final"?
"losing to Joe Perry 6–3, and Ken Doherty 4–0 respectively": "respectively" is not needed here as there is no ambiguity
he "couldn't believe how badly [he] had played" → he couldn't "believe how badly [he] played" per exact quote from source
"the second event, to Jamie Cope" — should specify the scores here like you do with the other two
Quote box: I don't think you need to put the exact same quote in the reference itself, seems redundant
Quote box should be moved down one paragraph so that it is placed next to the text about Ronnie O'Sullivan
I don't see the "giant killer" detail in either of the cited sources
"returned to being an amateur player" recommend adding "in June 2021" per lead
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

Ref 49 goes to the same link as ref 4
Can you wikilink to the appropriate "Preston"? There appears to be a gazillion of them in England
ban from driving: I would specify that it was a 1-year ban and that it happened in 2015
"money and valuables being stolen": from the source, it looks like just money was stolen, no mention of valuables
- All done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments

in the "Career finals" table, is the period after "1" meant to be there?
- I'm not sure I understand. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Under James Cahill (snooker player) § Amateur finals: 1 (1 title), below the "No." column, there is a period next to the 1. I wasn't sure if that was a typo or intentional. DanCherek (talk) 12:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Oh I see, that's a count of how many wins/runner-up positions they have. It looks silly, as there's only one, but see someone like Stephen Hendry for how they look if they have more than this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - Thanks, I checked out some other articles like Mark Selby and see what you mean. No remaining concerns from me! DanCherek (talk) 12:46, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have made some copy-edits to the article; minor things that I didn't feel like bringing up separately in this review. Let me know if you disagree with any of them.
Article is stable, illustrated with relevant and freely-licensed images, and without copyright violations

This is close! Putting this nomination on hold so that edits and/or responses can be made. If you have time, I have a peer review open here for what I'm hoping will be my first FAC, and any comments would be appreciated! DanCherek (talk) 00:27, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski: I have two remaining questions, though they are minor and will not hold up the promotion of this article so I will pass it in the meantime. Congratulations! The first question is the "Career finals" thing which I responded to above. The second is that Preston is a disambiguation page. I was going to fix it myself but was not sure whether to link to Preston, Lancashire or City of Preston, Lancashire (or another one). DanCherek (talk) 12:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA progress

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