Talk:Jake Elwes

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What was the source for the change - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jake_Elwes&diff=1107523991&oldid=1083209386 - made on the grounds of "Changed pronouns to reflect artist indentification (sic)"? Surely some kind of evidence of this would have been required at the time? Certainly, given the context, it's not hard to believe, but still. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.194.173 (talk) 05:25, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See Jake's own website - 'their' is correct. Jimi 66 (talk) 14:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Repeated removal of "from a landed gentry family"

On June 3, 2024, an edit was made by 89.240.192.63 to add biographical information sourced to "Burke's Landed Gentry" and "Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage," which includes that the subject "was born in London to British contemporary artist and painter Luke Elwes, of a landed gentry family."[1] This was removed on June 4 by Zcwajel with no explanation.[2] The info has been removed and restored multiple times by these two editors. I believe my only previous edit on this is that I added it back on June 5 with an edit summary "Restoring unexplained removal of sourced content."[3] I am seeing now that it has been removed once again by Zcwajel.[4] I fail to see why noncontroversial biographical information with two sources is being repeatedly removed. So, I am going to restore it and suggest that the other involved editors discuss it here. Elspea756 (talk) 02:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Landed gentry family' does give some useful background to the artist's life, but a bit vague - would something more specific and objective be better? Jimi 66 (talk) 14:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this gives useful information. It is very straightforward fact supported by two sources. I've added a link to "landed gentry" so readers can easily find more specifics about this British social class. Elspea756 (talk) 16:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies if there was an issue with these edits. The sentence had become quite long and complicated so was attempting to simplify it and keep it relevant. I've edited again to make it more readable and extend the family history, how does it look now? (I'm planning to extend the family history section at some point and to make it more extensive).

Also to note, Jake Elwes’s branch of the family are not land owners or gentry (you could use that term to describe their great-great grandfather Gervais Elwes but that seems quite far removed), so it seemed misleading and an unnecessary weighted & dated label to be forefront in the artist’s background section (the society/gentry family history can be discovered through the linked ancestor’s articles which I've now also added Gervais Elwes to [5]). Zcwajel (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]