Talk:Jacula

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Can we get some references for this page?

I'm looking around the net for some suitable refs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GDA9 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lot of talk that their "first" album was actually recorded in the 1990's. It contains sound effects that definitely did not exist in 1969, production clarity that would be hard to achieve even to this day (let alone in the old days), a drum machine (which did not exist in a serious way until the 80's), and a guitar tone that wouldn't have been obtainable until the 1980's. I think this should be mentioned somehow. There are many who think this is a giant hoax. 71.116.54.77 (talk) 19:53, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was most likely heavily altered. It's happened before, for example Ozzy Osbourne re-recorded elements of some of his 1980s albums and reissued them, so it might be a hoax or it might not, but until credible sources explain it, the reliable sources say the album and band came out in 1969, which could be entirely wrong, but it's what the sources say. JuggaloProghead (talk) 21:48, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Research by an Italian Rate your music Admin shows the 1969 release date is a hoax.

Hey, guys. I recently noticed Rateyourmusic changed the release date from 1969 to 2001. tell me what you think?

Research by RYM member AfterTheRain shows:

Proof comes from four points:

1) Nobody has ever seen a copy of the '69 vinyl. I tried to find out a reason, I even asked the owner of the label behind the 2001 issue, and he answered that they never saw the '69 LP issue, so the 2001 vinyl issue, a limited 299-signed copies issue, was the only one vinyl the label owner ever saw.

2) Afterwards, I read an interview in which Antonio Bartoccetti himself acknowledges the LP not being released in 1969. You can find it here: http://francescofabbri.altervista.org/jacula/ It's in italian and you can read "IN CAUDA è un lavoro embrionale [...] anche per questo all'epoca non venne messo in vendita." That means "IN CAUDA is like something at embryonic stage, [...] this is one of the reasons it was not released at the time".

3) Old sources (books and magazines) from that period states Jacula were formed in 1972, so how could they record in 1969? In 1971, Antonio Bartoccetti was still in a beat band called Dietro Noi Deserto. The Italian prog expert Paolo Barotto wrote about them stating they were driven by "the Jacula leader to be [...]", meaning that Jacula did not exist at the time! Moreover, after Dietro Noi Deserto disbanded, Bartoccetti would form Invisible Force, releasing a single in late '71 before turning them into Jacula the following year (1972). Mauro Moroni, the greatest italian prog collector, owner of the label Mellow Records, also stated that the 1969 vynil version of this album does not exist, and that the band was formed in 1972.

4) The heaviest proof: that is, comparison with Van Der Graff Generator's "Pawn Hearts" (1971) reveals that "In Cauda"'s lyrics are none other than an italian translation from the English band. Putting to comparison the release dates you should draw quite an obvious conclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.65.123.86 (talk) 23:06, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, actually, the album's lyrics are in Latin, not Italian, but, yeah, even if the album was released in 1969, it had to have been heavily altered before the version that everyone's heard was released. BUT...there are sources saying that the band formed in 1969. And Rate Your Music is not infallible - they've gotten tons of stuff wrong and it is a user-edited site, after all. The sources have to at least have a staff and credible accreditation so we aren't just sourcing people's blogs. JuggaloProghead (talk) 21:46, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure it isn't the band's 1972 album that you were thinking of that translates the Prawn Hearts lyrics from English to Italian? because that album actually does have Italian lyrics. The other one's in Latin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.32.175.202 (talk) 21:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No. Why do you talk about things you don't even know? In Cauda DOES have italian lyrics. Both albums actually have some parts in italian, some parts in latin (the second album even has some english in it). Sources? I AM ITALIAN, YOU GUESS I CAN RECOGNIZE MY OWN LANGUAGE.

Latin and Italian are similar. 50.45.212.235 (talk) 12:01, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Similar but different and clearly distinguishable. The title of the song "Magister Dixit", for example, is latin title but the lyrics are almost entirely in italian, while "Praesentia Domini" features lyrics completely in latin language.--5.171.194.66 (talk) 15:25, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jacula and Antonious Rex

Look at the Discogs entry on Antonious Rex: http://www.discogs.com/artist/332069-Antonius-Rex

And here for Jacula: http://www.discogs.com/artist/1039835-Jacula

It's the same band, just with a different name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.42.44.222 (talk) 20:52, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Disbanded?

Excuse me... AllMusicGuide is mentioned as the source stating that Jacula disbanded in 2017, but I didn't find any mention of this in that page.--NuM3tal95 (talk) 10:41, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]