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Change in template colors

I see the color combination in the templates and infoboxes has changed from black and teal to black and gold. Is there a specific reason for this change? It's my understanding that these should be the primary and secondary colors of a franchise, which would be black and teal in the case of the Jaguars, not black and gold. DragonFury (talk) 19:16, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, according to the Jaguars logo slick at nflcommunications.com (registration required), the team's colours are (in order) black, teal and gold. – Pee Jay 19:55, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Franchise history move

The franchise history on the main article is getting longer and longer. I propose that the entire franchise history be merged with the article History of the Jacksonville Jaguars with the only text on the main article being a redirect under Franchise history saying See main article History of the Jacksonville Jaguars. I also propose that the franchise history be substantially reduced to a few paragraphs of summaries if possible but if not it needs to be merged into the History of the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Organization

@DragonFury: It's not really fine to have a whole section for one season, which happens twice (Mularkey 2012 and Meyer 2021). It'd be better organized to combine these small sections into broader sections. Looking at other teams founded in the 1990s, for example, the Carolina Panthers, Florida Panthers, and Memphis Grizzlies have better organized sections. The Colorado Rockies have a general history section that is also fine, with a link to a more detailed and longer History of article. Soulbust (talk) 19:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are no hard rules about what is, or is not, acceptable for the organization of sections. The current layout has its drawbacks, but it is consistent and organized, even if it results in two single seasons being separate, short sections. The layout you created is not at all consistent; it starts with Coughlin and Del Rio each getting their own section with the years of their tenure. But then it suddenly starts grouping head coaches in more general sections and omitting the details on their tenure. One head coach (Doug Marrone) is omitted from the headers entirely, and then a particular player is suddenly put into a header, when previously it was only head coaches. The organization of this article can be improved, your attempt however, is not an improvement. DragonFury (talk) 20:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah some head coaches have longer tenures are thus more well-defined and apt for a section. Struggles in the 2010s, particularly the Mularkey and Bradley season after Del Rio's tenure up to the Sacksonville season feel like they would be better grouped together. Would actually prefer to group them in with the Marrone years (and even maybe the Meyer season) because aside from the one AFC championship appearance, 2012 through 2020 (and, respectively, even 2021) all featured the same common through line of not qualifying for the playoffs.

Trying to force some consistency with the head coach-named headings is an insane thing that a lot of sports team articles try to do, and it makes the articles for historically bad teams like the Jags have way too many short sections that would be better served grouped into one. It doesn't matter that Trevor would be named in one section; his presence on the team is the central theme of the 2021-present period of the team. This is just as Coughlin is with the 1995-2002 period and Del Rio is for 2003-2011, and the overall struggle from 2012-2020 (again aside from the one Sacksonville season, which is why 2017-2020 maybe would be better for its own grouping).

I think maybe breaking it down by ownership then would be a better organization. Weaver (1995-2011), which can then be broken down between Coughlin and Del Rio eras. Then Khan (2012-present), which can be grouped by Mularkey and Bradley years (2012-2016), then Marrone years (2017-2020), then the Trevor Lawrence era (2021-present). Again, there doesn't need to be this forced head coach consistency. It makes more sense to group both of Lawrence's head coaches together than to split the 2021 season separately. And if a "consistency" needs to be forced here, then it probably should just be Weaver ownership in the 1990s and 2000s (+2010 and 2011); and then Khan ownership in the 2010s and the 2020s. Soulbust (talk) 08:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]