Talk:Jack (given name)

James / Jacob

Jack is in reality linked to the names James/Jacob!!!!!

Which reality, dude? You've, like, lost me. 74.99.125.150 05:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because it derived from the name יעקב(supplanter) - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.15.160.28 (talk) 01:20, 28 July 2006

I thought it was originally from Jacob/James, and that John was an orignally incorrect but now common connection. The article reads as if John was always the connection - is that really true? - Matthew238 04:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

and is Jack "commonly" (lede) or "rarely" (first para.) associated with Jacob? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 22:28, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with him: Jack must be a short for Jacob or James. The John's association is a Big Mistake and even if it's now a tradition is not correct. In all the languages Jack is always Linked To Jacob's cognates. Only in english is a pet for John. The Jankin's theory have no sense for me. Jack Fax (talk) 13:16, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So? Still no conclusion and correction, 7 years later? Arminden (talk) 10:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

James?

According to the Jack disambiguation says 'Jack (name), originally a nickname for Jacob (Latin, French) and James (Middle English), from Hebrew "[God] has protected".[1], and hence' but this page says 'It was originally a nickname for the names John and Jacob.' Later in this article it says 'Although it may appear at first glance to be derived from the French Jacques—which is cognate with the names James and Jacob—native speakers of English would almost certainly associate the name "Jack" with "John," rarely with "Jacob," and probably never with "James."' which suggests that it's related to James.

Which is it?--Jcvamp 21:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article is correct. If Jacob>Jack, we wouldn't need the name James. As it is, Jacob > James and Jacques, Yohannes > John and Jean, and Iohannes>Johan>Jan>Jankin>Jakin>Jack. 74.99.125.150 05:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I'm pretty sure that it is John>Jack Jacob>James while Jacques is French for Jacob and Jean is French for John. See here: www.behindthename.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.81.181.107 (talk) 20:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a Jack derived from Jacob and i'm proud of it. Not all the Jacks are Johns in origin. Jack have more sense as a pet form for Jacob/James. That's my opinion. Jack Fax (talk) 13:09, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional characters

Hello, I added a music category because I thought Captain Jack, which is the song that got the record companies interested in Billy Joel and has been heard almost every day on Classic Rock stations in my lifetime.

I also wanted to say that I want to nominate Jack Stanfield from the movie Firewall (film) for deletion. I know Harrison Ford played him, but it was hardly one of his more notable roles. He's already on the list as Jack Ryan the Tom Clancy character and Jack Trainer in Working Girl anyway. Feel free to discuss. 68.36.68.184 (talk) 02:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mathematical jack

anyone feel up to writing about the mathematical stuff? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.99.136 (talk) 00:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

London A.D. 1024

The article states:

A closer look at London shows that as of 1994 "Jack" was the most popular given name in the city, but does not appear among the top-ten most popular in the preceding 970 years.

I can't find this, or data allowing one to conclude this, in the cited (selfpublished) source. --Lambiam 06:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Tweed

Removed from the list of notable Jack's. He is a petty criminal and has been charged with a hideous offence (rape). His only "fame" is from being married to a reprehensible female. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.124.167 (talk) 13:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

jack daniels?

Where's jack daniel, the famous whiskey producer? (sorry for incorrect english) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.120.157.62 (talk) 18:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jack as a surname

Shouldn't there be a seperate section for those with the surname Jack rather than given name? 82.25.216.202 (talk)thaliafan82.25.216.202 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:05, 14 February 2010 (UTC).[reply]

This article is about the given name only (as per the article title descriptor). Content for Jack as a surname can be added to the DAB or a new article can be made.--Hutcher (talk) 18:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Origin

The origin section has been unreferenced since Aug'09 and is in direct conflict with the lead section so one of them has to go. Here is that section preserved for history:

“

The name Jack originates from the Middle English given name Jankin, with variants including Jakken and Jakke, formed by the addition of the diminutive suffix "-kin" (similar to the German "-chen") to the name Jan, itself a contracted version of the French name Jehan (like John formed by shortening from the Latin form Johannes). Jankin became Jakken (or Jackin), and eventually Jack. This short form may have been influenced by the phonologically similar French name Jacques—which is cognate with the names James and Jacob. However, this similarity may be coincidence: native speakers of English have historically associated the name Jack with John and only rarely with the name Jacob, for which the usual shortened form is Jake.

The name Jakke was so common in England that it came to be used for addressing any male, originally especially one considered a social inferior, and was extended to designate any male person, male animals, and even a variety of inanimate objects, such as the device named jack for lifting heavy loads.

”

--Hutcher (talk) 18:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jack for me is derived from Jacques. In french Jacky is a Pet form of Jacques. In german we have Jackel and Jockel for Jakob and in dutch Jaak or Sjaak for Jacobus. Only in english Jack is associated with John; in the other languages is always a pet form for Jacob/James and it works good because the sound is similar. The Jankin's transformation doesn't seem so strong and clear. I'm a Jack derived from Jacob, not John. Jack Fax (talk) 13:03, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Nicholson?

Jack Nicholson's given name is John Joseph, so it shouldn't be here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.146.118 (talk) 05:07, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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China?

Why is there a map listing China as a country where Jack is popular? That's just silly. Chinese names do not share ancestry with western names and any chinese name sounding like Jack is incidental. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.64.60 (talk) 13:30, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Jack the Ripper

Shouldn't he be on the list of notable Jacks? I know that almost definitely wasn't his real name but it is the one he's known by, and he would definitely count as an (in)famous Jack. I don't know what category he would go in, though, as it most likely wasn't his given name but he wasn't fictional, either. HRMSnowy (talk) 16:36, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Diminutive of Jackson?! Kidding?

It's like saying David is a diminutive of Davidson. Or wit is a derivate of half-wit. Arminden (talk) 10:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]