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Move to Dambijantsan?

I think the more common Mongolian name for Ja Lama is Dambijantsan (although Dambijaa is also common). Since he is mostly known for his role in Mongolia's struggle for independence, IMO it would be fair to move the article. Second, I don't think Ossendowski's usefulness as a historical source is well-established. Basing the article on other sources might be preferable.Yaan 13:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Khalkha may call him "Dambijanstan," but the Kalmyks call him "Ja Lama," and he is a product of the great Oirat tradition of militant Buddhism. --Buzava 02:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, Ja Lama claimed to be both the grandson and the reincarnation of Amursana. --Buzava 02:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but i think he used these claims at different times. or not? Yaan 09:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re. the spelling, he certainly was more famous for his role in Mongolia than for being a Kalmyk.Yaan 09:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on your perspective, but I have no problem with conjugating his name, e.g., "Dambijanstan Ja Lama." --Buzava 14:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

or maybe keep it as it is. a redirect and the alternative names in the introductory sentence should suffice.Yaan 07:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On another note, according to Mongolchuud: Nuudel Suudal (paperback), vol.2, UB 2006, p.81 by Baabar, Dambijantsan appeared in western Mongolia in 1902 (In the english edition, it might be part of the first 'book'). But Baabar doesn't give sources for that statement, and if you have sources stating that noone knows where he was, they may well be more accurate. Anyway, thanks for writing the article, he was one of the really important persons in 1911-21 Mongolia. Yaan 09:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, from the years 1899-1901, Ja Lama is said to have served as a guide to explorer P.K. Kozlov under the name "Sherap Lama." The expedition travelled thru Mongolia and the Kham province in Tibet. Afterwards, it is believed Ja Lama returned to Kobdo in western Mongolia after spending some time in Qara Shahr. I guess the accuracy of this account can be called into question, since Ja Lama used numerous aliases, e.g., George Roerich called him "Baldan," and the Dilowa Khutukthu referred to him as "Dawa Shabrong." --Buzava 21:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

what about the current version? Yaan 07:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]