Talk:J. C. C. McKinsey

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Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because he's an important mathematician who contributed to game theory. --Uncle Ed (talk) 16:43, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Then write a substantive article that actually articulates notability, Ed. Some of us have better things to do with our time than go around cleaning up your messes. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 06:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

suicide

Can someone check that RAND reference about the alleged suicide? Neither the Stanford obit nor the Fefermans' biography of Tarski says anything about it. (McKinsey was a close friend of Tarski, so the Tarski biography mentions McKinsey in about a dozen places). Thanks. 67.117.145.9 (talk) 02:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I managed to check it through google books preview of the RAND book. It's cited in the book to some document in a box in the RAND archives. Web search finds other mentions of it, so I'd consider the manner of death to not be in dispute. I'm still not finding much to establish a connection between McKinsey losing his RAND job, and his committing suicide 2 years later. He had (per the Fefermans' book) lost a series of other jobs in pretty much the same way, before landing a professorship at Stanford (apparently recruited by former RAND colleagues). And he was apparently doing pretty well at Stanford, at least research-wise. So one might have expected that any difficulties caused by the RAND dismissal would have been behind him, once he was settled into Stanford. I'm having a hard time based on the scanty sources I've found drawing a direct connection between RAND and McKinsey's suicide. The sources seem to connect the two events basically via innuendo. Any ideas where to get better info? 67.117.145.9 (talk) 18:41, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re-reading the current version, it looks to me like adding the sentence about McKinsey's work at Stanford separated the RAND history enough from McKinsey's death that they don't come across so strongly as connected any more. So I guess it's in an acceptable state now. It would still be useful if someone with more knowledge and interest were to research this a bit further (I landed on this page more or less by accident). 67.117.145.9 (talk) 18:57, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your contributions, but I still do not think that the suicide can be considered undisputed. The current source is the book by Abella, but his only reference is an unpublished manuscript: Richard Bellman, I Am the Hurricane, manuscript, Brownlee Haydon Box, RAND Archives. The suicide is mentioned also in Sylvia Nasar's "A Beautiful Mind" but, again, the source is not that strong, an interview with Peter Lax in 1996, more than 40 years later. While the suicide is likely, further sources would be appropriate. Paolo Lipparini (talk) 14:07, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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