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hm, a hero? and do you know that this polish hero used to kill civilians after WWII. only for thier non-polish origin? it is pretty common to eliminate all minorities in Poland, but that hero killed tounsends of Slovak civilians two years after WWII!!!! only for their non-polish origin!!! two years after war!!! murder and criminal, nothing more. 213.215.89.47

finding a source and adding it to the article would be more constructive, don't you think? IdreamofJeanie (talk) 13:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The word "hero" is not used anywhere in the article. I know that the Slovakian Ustav Pamati Naroda was considering launching an investigation into Kuras at one point. I couldn't find any RSs about whether they did or not and what they found. There very well might be something there. On the other hand, Kuras' supporters (and I'm not one - I'm pretty ambivalent on him, basically there's been too much noise and misinformation to be really able to come to clear conclusions) generally claim that he only fought/"punished" members and supporters of the Hlinka Guard. Basically, without RS either way I hesitated in including anything specific in the article. But generally, the controversies section should be expanded.radek (talk) 14:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

here are some links from slovak webs: (it's written in slovak, but our languages are relative simillary, so try to read) http://www.slovenka.sk/index.php?id=blog&no=2591 http://www.slovacivosvete.sk/974/v-polsku-glorifikuju-vraha-slovakov.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.154.225.192 (talk) 07:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Murder

Jozef Kuras had been killing Slovaks living in their motherland. Shame on all Polish people who consider themselves "Catholics". For generations who passed, for generations to come! Vladimir Skokan1 (talk) 15:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Attention to this article is needed

Since navigating all the guidelines related to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland looks quite formidable, I'm just alerting a few people like K.e.coffman and Buidhe, without prejudice to an alert at wherever the proper noticeboard or place for alerts is, that the current content of the Józef Kuraś article is about half contributed by one person who happens to be under a topic ban as a result of the case; and an edit removing sourced information about the subject's apparent involvement in killing Jews in 1946 remained un-restored for seven months. (I restored the info just now.)

I put a warning in my edit just now that the text does not quite match the sources - it doesn't seem to be biased one way or the other, just rather mis-matched, and I don't have the time to clean up.

Overall, my impression is that the article does not satisfy WP:DUE and WP:NPOV, nor the more nuanced expectations for the World War II and the history of Jews in Poland topic, broadly construed to include 1946, and needs an overall review, preferably by people who know the topic well, including the offline sources.

The Polish Minister of Family, Labour and Social Policy, Agnieszka Dziemianowicz-Bąk made a decision yesterday 16 Feb 2024 forbidding the Office for War Veterans and Victims of Oppression from organising events commemorating Kuraś, on the grounds of "crimes against civilians" and ,,splamiły mundur kolaboracją z hitlerowcami", which is loosely something like "worked with the hitlerians", although that's an oversimplified translation missing some nuances. Boud (talk) 23:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For potential sources see:

Majerikova-Molitoris, Milica - Józef Kuraś Ogień - hrdina alebo bandita?. Milica Majeriková-Molitoris. In: Slovensko v rokoch neslobody 1938-1989 II. : zborník z vedeckej konferencie, Banská Bystrica 22.-23. mája 2012. Osobnosti známe - neznáme / Bratislava : Ústav pamäti národa, 2014 s. 107-120.

https://www.zagladazydow.pl/index.php/zz/article/view/463/484 (english title: “Why did they who had suffered and endured so much have to die?” Jewish Victims of Armed Violence in the Polish Tatra Highlands during 1945–1947)

https://www.ejournals.eu/Prace-Etnograficzne/2022/50-2022/art/23204/

Clearly, the criminal actions associated with this figure are a key part of what he was known for... (t · c) buidhe 03:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]