Talk:Izzard

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Merge and restructure.

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To merge Izard into Izzard as spelling variants of the same name; no consensus for other aspects of proposal and discussion stale. Klbrain (talk) 12:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Izard and Izzard are variations of the same surname, and should primarily be presented as an article on that surname. See Mark Antony Lower, Patronymica Britannica: A Dictionary of the Family Names of the United Kingdom (1860), p. 170. bd2412 T 20:29, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Neither page is a pure surname page - there's another full title match on each (a place and a fanzine). Narky Blert (talk) 13:59, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- In both cases, however, the primary meaning is going to be the surname. Note that the county is named after a person, former territorial governor George Izard (I would also argue that a "Foo County" is only a partial title match, since "County" is part of the construction). bd2412 T 14:07, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, but you could create new page Izzard (name) which could list all the name-holders and explain the spelling variation you cite. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:33, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- That is an intriguing possibility. BD2412 T 13:24, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as one page can readily disambiguate Izzard and Izard which would avoid the need for cross-linking between these pages and would allow for readers' inadvertent spelling errors. This structure works elsewhere; for example, Zaid has both Zaid and Zayd. I certainly wouldn't start yet another page; linking with a hatnote such as see also or distinguish should be sufficient. Klbrain (talk) 12:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support + Shhhnotsoloud's suggestion: one page for both surnames and one DAB page for both spellings. Leschnei (talk) 13:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect Izard into Izzard, as a single {{dab|surname}} page. The merged page would not be overlarge; and there are no references or explanatory details on either page to justify or necessitate a standalone {{surname}} page. The Lower citation is a bit thin, essentially saying, "Your guess is as good as mine". As secondary position: merge and redirect, then split out Izzard (surname) with that citation.

I am against surnames as WP:PTOPICs - like all PTOPICs, they accumulate bad links, which are bad for the encyclopaedia. See User:Certes/Taxa linked to surnames and User:Certes/Surname links for a limited selection. Many of those problems weren't quick or easy; I remember that one took me two hours. Narky Blert (talk) 16:08, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 12:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]