Talk:Ivan Vladislav of Bulgaria/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 19:29, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article is mostly up to GA standard, I just have a few minor things to sort with you:

Lead

The lead probably needs rewriting; if anything, I think that it could be a little longer. But my real issue with it is that it seems to tell a subtly different story from that of the main body of text e.g. who would not agree to nothing [sic] else but surrender seems to conflict with the main body, which suggests it was Vladislav. It also has some minor grammatical errors which need fixing

Leads have always been a difficult task for me because since everything is mention below, I usually cannot accurately judge what should be included... I have added two sentences, check them out for mistakes.

The subtle difference is due to the inconsistent information that Skylitzes provides and therefore to the different interpretation of the historians. I have added "or in an attempt to consolidate his position".

Quality of prose

I have copyedited the article; please check that I haven't changed the meaning anywhere. It looks fine now. Though I would have even fewer "Ivan"s in the prose myself, I have pared it back to one-per-section, which is, I think, an acceptable number. I have added two "clarifyme"s which need to be resolved.

That you very much for the copyedit, it was extremely useful. As for the name, it is Ivan Vladimir, not only Vladimir and is always written in all history books as Ivan Vladislav, the same with his predecessor, Gavril Radomir; therefor I have put Ivan again on all places it was removed.

Referencing

Just a "not in source" to resolve: the place doesn't even seem to appear on the map to my eyes, and I doubt they give derivations either. An alternate source should be found.

Indeed, the place is not noted on the map, I haven't noticed that... I have found another citation.

Completeness

I would expand the family section a little with regard to descendants and then set the table to be collapsed by default, but otherwise the article is good.

I did a little expansion but I don't know how to make the table collapse by default...

Other

There seems to be an outstanding suggestion that the article be renamed to "John", which seems to be a reasonable suggestion and needs to be dealt with properly.

Whether it should be renamed to John or stay Ivan, I do not mind. If you think it would be better to be renamed, then do it and will substitute the names.

So in other words, not a great deal to fix. On hold - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 19:29, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your copyedit, review and remarks. I will address them shortly after 30 January or earlier, if possible. Best, --Gligan (talk) 18:05, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to thank you again for your patience. :) Regards, --Gligan (talk) 18:10, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have collapsed the table and edited the lead slightly. All that's left if for me to remind you that it is customary for nominators to review another article if at all possible. I am passing Ivan Vladislav. Regards, - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 12:19, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]