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I really don't understand why this person's name would be primarily Italian. Google can barely find a non-Wikipedia reference for the Italian name:

The three hits shown on the first link are actually from Wikipedia pages. Granted, there aren't many other Croatian name hits, but there are at least some... so what are we talking about here? --Joy [shallot] 13:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand why the Italianicised name should be listed at all. It has basically no relevant hits on the web and books.google.com. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 16:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not always a reliable source of information... Look at the photo and the name shown underneath. As Caboga says (on the House of Bona page), just because 9 out of 10 people say the world is flat doesn't actually mean it is.
Debona.michel (talk) 09:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
There is no evidence that that painting was signed by Ivan Bunič Vučić himself. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 18:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

You sound desperate, Debona. Your elitist views are luckily not part of Wikipedia policy. In other words, if 9 out of 10 people say the world is flat, then Wikipedia would have a "Flatness of the World" article. Luckily, 9 out of 10 people are usually right, just like in this case. You'll have to find some other place that will find your "everybody's wrong and I'm right" rhetoric appealing. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 11:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

What, so you mean to say the world is not flat? I don't believe it. WTF are you talking about? AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 11:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

"WTF" is not part of Wikipedia policy either. Practice what you preach. For a 19-year old you have a very BIG mouth...smart aleck! Please save everything you are writing and re-read it in 20 yrs...you'll see how funny you were. Talk about desperate... Debona.michel (talk) 12:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

If others and yourself found you amusing when you were my age perhaps you should not take that as a sign that all of us must act in such a comic manner. Talking about other people's age when lacking proper arguments is not something one would expect from an older gentlemen such as yourself, maybe you're fifteen...? --DIREKTOR (TALK) 12:51, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

BONA vs BUNIC

Please refer to the discussion pages for Marino de BONA (incorrectly entered as Marin Bunic), House of Bona and Republic of Ragusa (discussion topic 21). The names of de BONA family (and most of the other original Ragusan aristocracy families) are being forcefully Slavicized in writings by people who are in denial when it comes to Dubrovnik's history. No one is claiming that these people were not Dalmatians/Slavs/Ragusans, it's just that they used the BONA name like they still do today in Croatia.Not BUNIC!!! Some people think that calling them Bunic makes them more "Croatian"...I guess a very large chunk of Croatia would need to have their names' "reassigned" in this case.

82.226.211.122 (talk) 15:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Nonsense, in 99% of the cases of Old Dubrovnik classical literature the nobilty name was always Slavic, even when pieces were printed in Venice. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 16:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Utter nonsense. This post simply confirms my argument: there must be no exceptions from proper procedure or there will be widespread edit-warring. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 17:09, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
What I said is true. It's almost always Slavic in their works. Try reading some. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 17:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Um, I meant I agree with what you said :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 18:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh I see :D I'm just sick of Ragusino/Michel.de bona and other folks ascribing Slavic names to some " 20th century Yugoslavism", when in fact they have recorded use from the earliest literary period! In pieces that I've read, Romance names occur very rarely. E.g. In Palmotić's Gomnaida:
Ti di Sorgo ružiš kuću
paček od nje rug i feca,
kô njekoga padre Ćućuv
sva te prstom kažu djeca,
o kursare obarani!
Vȁs si govnen, kneže usrani!
^_^ --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 14:08, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
They were families of romance extraction, not slavic. Ragusa was founded by latin people escaping Epidaurus which was sacked by slavic people. Ragusa was an oligarchic republic that would have never allowed slavic people to run the city.Magnagr (talk) 02:46, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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