Talk:Iván Duque

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Official presidential photo

Would Wikipedia be allowed to upload Duque's official presidential photo adhering to copyright rules? Either way, this photo would make for a better infobox image than the one already used. --1990'sguy (talk) 01:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC) ... I don't see a citation for Duque's attendance of Rochester. The Colombian Ministery of Education will confirm that he received his Colegio diploma from a school named Winston Salem. Please either remove or cite the Rochester attendance or include the Winston Salem diploma. Thanks. Joshua Clement Broyles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.24.58.242 (talk) 01:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Protect the article in some way.

This article seems to be the victim of a lot of vandalism I think it needs some sort of protection make it a semi-protected article or something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheHiker25 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

The Lead

Reading the lead of this article, it sounds like Duque was born and then became president, for which he was criticized. I presume Colombia doesn't hatch its presidents, or leave them in an incubator until their inauguration, but I'm not sure. In any case, we have a MOS:LEAD. Chetsford (talk) 00:29, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Many pages referring to Colombia have inaccurate statements or with little veracity or with biased sources

The articles on Wikipedia, both in Spanish and in English, about Gustavo Petro, Álvaro Uribe Vélez, Iván Duque, the Farc, the m19, the parapolitics and the Wikiproyecto Colombia, have abundant false, doubtful, disputed statements or with biased sources or doubtful. For example these:

(Please SEMI-PROTECT them and correct them)

Gustavo Petro

Gustavo Petro

Álvaro Uribe Vélez

Álvaro Uribe

Iván Duque Márquez

Iván Duque

FARC

FARC

M19

M19

Parapolítica

Parapolitics

Protestas en Colombia 2021

2021 Colombian Protests

In summary, and in order not to repeat what some others have already said in the respective discussion pages, in the Wikipedia pages referring to Gustavo Petro and other pages and projects cited above, the pages are significantly biased towards Alvaro Uribe's opponents, even in pages that do not deal with or have nothing to do with Alvaro Uribe (such as Gustavo Petro's), with sources carefully selected to only support such opponents, often very doubtful, unobjective or biased, with phrases such as: "These revelations opened the doors of a strong social sanction to Uribe in Colombia by a sector of public opinion, and placed him in the sights of the ICC with the more than 250 processes in the Office of the Attorney General of the Nation that exist against him, and that, for different reasons, including corruption of the national powers", " Petro revealed that Uribe's presidential campaign in 2002 had received financial support from Enilse López, known such as La Gata, later convicted of ties to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, "etc., etc., etc. (I will not repeat).

Getting to the point of almost calling Uribe a "murderer", "genocidal", "terrorist", "corrupt", "paramilitary", "drug trafficker", "narco-paramilitary", BOTH ON THE PAGES IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH, even though sometimes not using those words, as he is presented as directly related to “human rights abuses” and he is also presented as solely responsible for the violence, corruption and deaths that occurred throughout the Colombian Armed Conflict.

Forgetting or omitting that: 1) Up to now none of the investigations that the Prosecutor's Office has made or is doing, has found any evidence that he has been personally involved and has not gone to criminal trial, except for that of these days of "manipulation of witnesses ”, which is ongoing without sentencing yet, 2) He did not have any public office or had anything to do with the Armed Conflict in the first two decades until 1981, and 3) They omit the massive human rights violations, deaths, drug trafficking, kidnappings and torture committed by guerrilla groups outside the law that, although pardoned, were admitted by such groups in the 1989 and 2016 Peace Accords.

President Ivan Duque is presented as if he were Alvaro Uribe's “puppet” and he is also held directly and personally responsible for all the human rights violations and violence that are taking place in Colombia.

Even in the pages on Alvaro Uribe it is mentioned that he has about 28 proceedings against in the Supreme Court of Justice of Colombia, taking as a source a journalistic note, but when the public database of the judicial branch of Colombia is accessed, on Consultation of processes, no such processes are observed. (In the Colombian journalistic media, false news is very frequent, towards or against all the parties involved)

More or less the same happens in the Wikipedia pages that make some reference to the 2021 PROTESTS in Colombia, very biased towards the opposition, BOTH ON THE PAGES IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH, where the state, the police and the army are presented as the ONLY human rights violators (when the objective reality is that more than ten policemen and military have already died in the protests, and tens of thousands of small merchants or shopkeepers have lost everything due to vandalism), echoing, or taking sources that echo, what seems to be a massive campaign of fake news and misinformation referring not only to the STRIKE but to previous times of the Armed Conflict and the presidency of Alvaro Uribe and Ivan Duque, and where many of these fake news and false videos (even from Amnesty International !!!, or Cnn or Dw, who would believe it) were actually taken in Venezuela but they are presented as if they had taken place in Colombia during the 2021 PROTESTS. This massive campaign of false news and videos and disinformation, is evidenced in serious sources such as:

This video is not of the Esmad breaking Windows during the 2021 protests, it is from Venezuela in 2017

The Fake News generated during the National Protests

The fake pictures, videos and news about the 2021 strikes

Fake News during the Strikes

Popular protest in Colombia: a war of false images on social networks or imagined reality on the streets

Ministry of Defense warns about digital terrorism because of the widespread distribution of fake news during the national protests

At least 23 fake news have been detected during the protests

Fake News in Colombia

Victor Muñoz DAPRE’s Director, denies decree ordering state of emergency

These iconic buildings in the world were not lit in support of Colombia during the protests

The explosion of unverified information circulating on the media during the protests

National Protests live: the ongoing protests on May 5th

Colombia Check independent verification site

False, Young man was not burned by Esmad in Floridablanca, Santander

Duque didn’t twit that if misinformation persists he’ll cancel Facebook

Video of Young man assaulted by the police in Floridablanca is real but he was not murdered

New video of policemen inhaling a presumed drug is not in Colombia but in Chile

The one in the picture is not the Esmad’s policeman reported for taking part in an assault

Police’s Ad offering reward for presumed vandals of the sacks of April 28th is false

Video of clashes between police and army is not of April 28th protests nor in Colombia

Colombia is not the only country to propose Tax Reform amidst the outbreak

Maria Fernanda Cabal did not say coffee is not to have breakfast or dinner but for visitors

Note that in Colombia it is very risky to take journalistic notes as a source, sometimes even from supposedly "serious" or "respectable" entities such as El Tiempo or Semana, and much less opinion notes, since, as can be seen in Colombia for more than ten years, impressive amounts of fake news have been circulating. However, those are most of the sources given for the Wikipedia pages mentioned at the beginning, even on the English Wikipedia pages.

If little of what is written in Colombia, with direct knowledge of the situation, is serious or objective, much less what is written on foreign media. Not one news magazine has been left uncriticized for this in decades. Note also that credible or objective sources are so rare and occasional in Colombia, even in the supposedly “academic” sphere, that if strict criteria are used, almost nothing could be written about Colombia!

No, I am neither an uribista nor a leftist, I am a responsible and conscientious citizen who is trapped, as you surely know, in a country where everyone’s spirits are so heated and violence has been happening for so long, that it is no exaggeration to say that "half of Colombia wants to kill and hang the other half of Colombia." And that is clearly observed in the 2021 PROTESTS, where it can be said that “everyone hates everyone”.

It is assumed that Wikipedia, AND MORE IN ENGLISH, is a serious and ENCYCLOPEDIC website, for which it has no presentation that in such articles on Petro, Uribe, Duque, guerrillas, parapolitics or the Colombia Wikiproject, in Spanish and in ENGLISH, many statements are made, risky and controversial at best, implying that Uribe and Duque or the police and the army would be "murderers", "genocidal", "terrorists", "paramilitaries", "abusers of human rights ”,“ corrupt ”,“ corruption in the branches of power ”, etc., etc., etc.

Most people do not verify the facts or if what is said is true or not, and simply believe what Wikipedia says, and more being an encyclopedia.

Please, Librarians and Wikipedia editors:

Every time on one of your pages, whether in Spanish or in English, these types of statements are sneaked in, not very truthful and that could be seen as an incitement to hatred and violence, indeed half of Colombia wants to kill the other half, there are people dying!!

It is not an exaggeration to say that when a single one of these statements creeps in, or echoes a possibly false journalistic note, at least one person dies in Colombia!

Please, I beg you:

Semi-protect all those pages referring to Colombia, have the maximum possible responsibility with the wording and all statements and sources, and please proceed to correct all those pages urgently.

Thank you. Carlosverano92 (talk) 23:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2021

Perhaps His Excellency given the "Style" portion on the President of Colombia page. Not really all that important, just thinking of consistency between other foreign states and presidents.

Should an honorific prefix be included in this article consistent with his being a president of a Sovereign State? 24.89.4.63 (talk) 18:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. We generally don't use honorifics for people, see Joe Biden. Was there a different place you thought it should be included? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:49, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2021 (2)

I was thinking along the lines of His Excellency to remain consistent with other leaders in South America, such as Luis Arce. Also, the President of Colombia page includes "His Excellency" as a style in the infobox. Not super important, but for consistency purposes. 24.89.4.63 (talk) 19:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

 Question: Do you mean above their name in the infobox? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done Added to the infobox. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:09, 5 August 2021 (UTC)