Talk:Itzy discography

Japanese releases are single albums!?

Many media outlets that talked about their Japanese releases Voltage/ Blah Blah did describe them as single albums, so aren't the sales should be in the "single album" section?? With "it'z different"! Lililolol (talk) 01:30, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Single albums are not a thing in Japan. Japanese single releases with more than one track are still classed a singles. Abdotorg (talk) 12:55, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

But they released their singles with two tracks each release. Is that still classified them as single? Lililolol (talk) 15:14, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, still a single, single albums are exclusive to South Korean music as far as I am aware. Abdotorg (talk) 16:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Born to Be and GOLD are mini albums.

Neither Born to Be or GOLD are full albums. On physical editions of the album, they are labeled as mini albums (EPs). Furthermore, multiple Korean media outlets posted by their label have described these releases as mini albums as well. Sanastrology (talk) 19:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

"On physical editions of the album, they are labeled as mini albums (EPs)" is literally WP:OR because Gold that we're disputing here wasn't even released, even then, it's basically WP:PRIMARY nor WP:INDEPENDENT reliable sources. Regardless, "multiple Korean media outlets" is also partially correct because a WP:BEFORE shown that there's a 50-50 split usage from "press release journalism" calling Gold both "album" and/or "mini album", respectively, there isn't a usage where one is higher than the other to have clear-cut unambiguous conclusion. This is the exact same scenario for Born to Be where there was also high ambiguity from available WP:SECONDARY WP:INDEPENDENT reliable source that isn't unreliable nor WP:OR and with or without "press release journalism". Hence, it wasn't labeled as EP on English Wikipedia due to its length as explained on WP:ALBUMDAB, I believe that it was settled as adding something along the line of "Marketed as mini-album" and/or similar intended wording. This hasn't been the first time that a K-pop label (not exclusive to JYP) mislabeling their products opposite to the industry conventions, for their marketing purposes, been discussed here on English Wikipedia. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 19:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

The album previews their label posted on their social media indicate on the physical editions' spine and cover that it is a "mini album." Regardless, the number of tracks shouldn't be an indicator on whether it's a full-length release or an EP, and instead should rely on what the artist (or label in this instance) report it to be. The promotional material their label have released has made it clear they are mini albums. There is no ambiguity or mislabeling in that. Sanastrology (talk) 20:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

You may want to re-read my entire comment above. As I won't be reiterating. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 20:05, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll just leave the comments that I've already made here. These are independent reputable sources for South Korean news independent of the label:

Gold: This album as well should be marked as an EP, per reputable sources: Yonhap News Agency, The Korea Times, Dazed, and Korea JoongAng Daily all call it an EP. That, combined with the fact that it literally says "Mini album" on the cover should be enough proof to call it an EP, regardless of the track length. What we have goes against WT:FORUM.

Born to Be: the article should be rewritten to reflect that this is ITZY's 8th EP. Numerous sources, including a source that we currently cite (cite 7), call it their 8th EP. For example: Billboard, The Korea Herald, Yonhap News Agency, Korea JoongAng Daily, Dazed, and The Korea Times (after initially calling it a "full-length album") all call it an EP or mini-album, post-release. That's not even getting into Korean-language media. The only source that I've seen still call it a studio album is NME, but at this point it feels a bit like WP:FORUM to go against the reputable source consensus.

I'm not sure why we're acting like these sources don't exist and choosing to pursue our own version of WP:OR by labeling them as a studio albums when the above English-language sources do not. I'm not sure where you're seeing a 50-50 split either. There's a clear consensus amongst reputable English-language media, without even going into Korean-language media. AG202 (talk) 14:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but looking at the history of Gold (Itzy album), I'm not sure why you call it a full album initially looking at the sources you cite in the article itself. The majority of them call it an EP or mini album. AG202 (talk) 14:46, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done as a personal BEFORE check on post-release sourcing for Gold is evidenced enough on post English and Korean news articles to remove the initial ambiguity of 50-50 split from sourcing regardless of languages for both releases. If disagree on EP disambiguation and/or rationale, please BOLD revert back to their initial titling i.e. Born to Be (Itzy album) and Gold (Itzy album). Any disagreement on EP disambiguator must be countered using WP:ALBUMDAB guidelines on why and what ALBUMDAB guidelines isn't being followed on. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! AG202 (talk) 17:28, 16 October 2024 (UTC)