Talk:Track gauge in Italy

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Questioning the whole page

As the only linked sources states that Italy uses the standard gauge, and the reference to Italy's supposed 1445 gauge for trams in evidently crossed out.

Response:There are printed sources confirming that Milan and Rome both use 1,445 mm gauge for their trams. The Trams in Rome article is already sourced, and I will add the source to the Trams in Milan article shortly. Bahnfrend (talk) 13:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Italian broad gauge compatibility with international standard gauge

Given that Italian broad gauge was only 10 millimetres (0.39 in) wider than the international standard gauge, could equipment designed for Italian broad gauge have run elsewhere on standard gauge? 108.246.205.134 (talk) 03:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

700 mm gauges not from Italy

List_of_track_gauges#Narrow_gauge lists several 700 mm (2 ft 3+9⁄16 in) gauges. Are these to be called "Italian" gauges? I guess not, because say in Indonesia it will not have any reference to Italy. "700 mm" is simple, round metric size. -DePiep (talk) 04:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In Holland, many field and industrial railways were constructed in 700 mm (2 ft 39⁄16 in) gauge and it was also introduced in the Dutch colonies like Indonesia. It wasn't adopted from the Italians. Moreover, this article states that all three Italian gauges were legally defined. I haven't found any evidence that 700mm gauge railways were actually constructed in Italy. Furthermore, the only reference supporting the 700mm in this article is the Parovoz link (in the 950mm section). I just learnt that the majority of this Parovoz page has been used as input for the German List of Track gauges interwiki (including this strange 915mm gauge from the Chemnitz Tram we already discussed before).--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 18:24, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, clear for the 700m then. I'll link 700 |lk=on to 700 mm gauge railways (not to Italian gauge). Whatever that target page has (maybe a redirect to somewhere), the RailGauge link will funtion correctly. This is another example of a "cultural" gauge name, like we had with Cape Gauge.

And as it looks, 1445 and 950 are not definitive "Italian" either. I think best would be to link to 1445 mm gauge railways and 950 mm gauge railways. They can redirect (to Italian gauge to begin with), and later tha redirects/articles can change easily without the template having to change. They are not to be taken together with an imperial similar size? You can create the pages as you think best.

About Parovoz: my German communication clearly said that "915" was a German RR company's decision. So that's nearly a source. -DePiep (talk) 20:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to track gauge in Italy

I propose to rename this article to Track gauge in Italy:

The reference to Paravoz.com only mentions "Italian metre gauge", not "Italian gauge": [1]
I can't find a single reference supporting "Italian gauge" or "Italian broad gauge"
The page was created by User:TrackConversion, a sockpuppet of User:Tobias Conradi, infamous for his disruptive behavior and POV-pushing.--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 09:31, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I restructured the page in order to move to Track gauge in Italy, but that particular page is a redirect.

Requested move: Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests#Uncontroversial technical requests--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 11:33, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some links and categories to the page. Would you please explain the main reason to redirect this page? If you have any question, post your message on my talk page. Thanks Nechlison (talk) 11:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See the bulleted reasons in this section. The "Italian gauge" name doesn't have references, a historical origin or a properly sourced definition. "Track gauge in Italy" is a more neutral name, having corresponding pages for other countries as well: category:Track gauges by country--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 11:51, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a redirect, but a move to a redirect page.--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 11:51, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I like this cleanup of the Italian stuff. The more the 'cultural' approach is removed, the more I understand it. And that TC origin explains why it was a fog too. -DePiep (talk) 16:06, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

However, it should be made clear in the article that today most of Italian tracks use the standard gauge (all main lines, high-speed lines, metro lines etc.) --Ita140188 (talk) 08:55, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]