Talk:It's the Same Old Shillelagh

Better tollerated?

It seems to me that the line in the article about Irish stereotypes and their acceptance is an assumption. I am not a wikipedia editor but I am sure there is a rule against making claims of ones own thoughts in an article without having proof to back it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.215.121.94 (talk) 02:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It might be better to say that stereotypes in general were "more openly expressed" then, than they are now. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 02:49, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

That still seems like an assumption. There are many songs from many cultures that express anger and stereotypes from years ago to the present. Not only does this sound like an opinion, but it also seems unnecessary in talking about the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.215.121.94 (talk) 04:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

There's no anger in this song. And there is plenty of evidence that ethnic stereotyping was much more prevalent in media up through the first half of the twentieth century. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 09:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I propose the line "The inherent violence and Irish stereotyping in the song were better tolerated in their day than they are in the 21st Century." be struck. 1. What does this have to with encyclopedia writing and editing? Does this truly make us wiser? Is it a proven fact or an important one? (Think about modern wars and popular films). Is the 20th century the distant past that no one of our contemporaries remembers? 2. Would all persons agree? This sounds like the standpoint of some members of - possibly - modern American society. Wikipedia is an international resource. 3. This is a value judgment or an editorial stance in the sense of stuff you usually find on opinion pages. 4. Supposed stereotyping is in the eye of the beholder and just because one person asserts that something is supposedly stereotypical doesn't necessarily make it wrong or bad-intentioned. If one were to suggest many Bavarians amd Bavarian males in particular wear lederhosen (leather shorts with suspenders/braces, this would not be inaccurate or an aspersion for that matter.Where does stereotyping end and useful and possibly accurate generalization begin? If one were to suggest it is not wise to step into a paddock with a bull, would this be to miscast the bull in a prejudicial manner? People did used to have fights in villages in many places in Europe and the shillelagh was a common feature of many households. There are probably still some around. Sean Maleter (talk) 14:49, 21 September 2015 (UTC)