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Requested move 25 July 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is a consensus to move the page as proposed in the request to the base name per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and also It's a Living (1998 TV series) to It's a Living (Canadian TV series), per the discussion below. The disambiguation page is deemed unnecessary per WP:2DAB and there is no opposition to its removal. (non-admin closure) The editor whose username is Z0 16:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's a Living (1980 TV series) → It's a Living – This looks pretty clearly to be a WP:TWODABS situation, with this article as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, as page views pretty clearly show. Thus this article should be moved to the base title. With only two articles with this title, I don't think a disambiguation page is necessary, and hatnotes can distinguish this article from It's a Living (1998 TV series). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:46, 25 July 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:26, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – They are still two different shows, and I have a better idea, because the shows are from two different countries:
- It's a Living (1980 TV series) → It's a Living (U.S. TV series)
- It's a Living (1998 TV series) → It's a Living (Canadian TV series)

JE98 (talk) 16:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as proposed, but Support JE98's suggestion. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:33, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Why? I've just shown the American version is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, by a lot. And there are no other articles with this title – there is no reason not to put the U.S. article at the base title. (Note: I'm OK with moving the Canadian series to It's a Living (Canadian TV series). But the U.S. title belongs at the base title, as per PRIMARYTOPIC.) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:00, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, your pageview stats aren't providing an accurate comparison — it's using a redirect, not the actual page title, of the 1998/Canadian series. So it's not counting all pageviews on that series, but only the ones that two-stepped their way through one particular redirect. It's missing anybody who used the "Canadian" redirect instead, and it's missing anybody who bypassed the redirects and went directly to the actual page title in one step. That's why you haven't proven primary topic yet: you're giving us an apples-to-redirect comparison, not an apples-to-apples one. Bearcat (talk) 03:54, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, as requested, here are the page view stats with all 4 iterations included (here's also the 90-day version, but it includes an unfortunate "spike" in views on July 13, which makes it harder to parse...) – conclusion: the U.S. TV series is still the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, by far. (To be clear, It's a Living (CBC TV series) has only been a "redirect" for a couple of days, so the original comparison was valid...) Also, I still think moving the disambiguation page to It's a Living (disambiguation) is unnecessary in this case, but I won't oppose it either. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:23, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support as proposed, since the 1980 series gets over 98% of total views over a 3-year period, with the previous title of the Canadian series included. I'd ask Bearcat to reconsider based upon this data. Dekimasuよ! 16:55, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reconsider what? I didn't express any opinion either way, I just pointed out a problem with the data sets that were being compared. Bearcat (talk) 17:09, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well–whether the evidence presented over the course of the discussion represents an apples-to-apples comparison. Dekimasuよ! 21:44, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It does, as I think I've demonstrated multiple times above. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:15, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Also supporting JE98's proposal of moving the Canadian series to It's a Living (Canadian TV series) as it's better than the year in this situation. --Gonnym (talk) 12:22, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree – if the U.S. series is moved to the base title, It's a Living (Canadian TV series) is a better location for the 1998 series article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:16, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support as proposed. Clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in a WP:TWODABS situation.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:31, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Gonnym's version. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk | contribs} 19:49, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.