Talk:Israa Jaabis

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There needs to be a change in the lines of she detonated the bomb as it was the gas cylinder that exploded and she was burnt severely

Jaabis serious injured herself and police officer Moshe Chen when she detonated a car bomb in 2015.[1]

Also she didn't shout Allah akbar to for bombing rather it was out of pain that she said it which means The God is the great. She was in fire burning and shouted those words The reference for the same is please revise the same

Israa Jaabis
Nationality	Palestinian
Occupation	Prisoner
Known for	Convicted for the 2015 car explosion incident in Jerusalem
Criminal penalty	11 years imprisonment

Israa Jaabis is a Palestinian woman imprisoned in Israel since 2015. Jaabis serious injured herself and police officer Moshe Chen when she detonated a car bomb in 2015.

In the incident, Jaabis, a 31-year-old Palestinian, planned to detonate a gas tank near a soldiers' hitchhiking station close to Ma'ale Adumim. Police officer Moshe Chen stopped Jaabis's car, at which point she yelled "Allahu Akbar" and detonated the bomb. For his actions, Moshe received a commendation from the police. However, he sustained severe injuries in the attack, including burns to his face and chest. Jaabis was evacuated to hospital in Jerusalem with burns to her entire body. Handwritten notes expressing support for terrorists were discovered on Jaabis.

In popular culture

Main article: Advocate (2019 film)

Jaabis's story was featured in a documentary film Advocate in 2019. According to the film, Jaabis loaded butane tanks into the backseat of her car one morning and drove into Jerusalem, where she set the car on fire. Israeli prosecutors interpreted Jaabis' actions as a botched suicide bombing and terrorism attempt intended to kill Jewish people. However, the lawyer Lea Tsemel, who took on Jaabis' case, questioned whether her intent was actually to commit an act of violence. Tsemel learned from Jaabis' relatives that she was depressed and unhappy in her marriage, and had attempted suicide twice before. Tsemel wondered if this time Jaabis had intended "suicide by cop" rather than a politically-motivated attack. However, the court was not convinced, and ruled that her sole intent was to kill.

References

Category:Living people Category:Palestinian prisoners and detainees Category:Suicide bombers in Israel

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 November 2023

As there are multiple accounts of what happened and stated levels of intent, writing something with heavily stated intent on the part of the prisoner is unhelpful and doesn't allow the reader the chance at an unbiased accounting of the events. Nabroo (talk) 08:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Nabroo It's not clear to me what you want done. The edit request process is for proposing a specific edit in a "change X to Y" format. If you just want to discuss this article, the discussion does not need to be marked as an edit request. Note that Wikipedia does not claim to be unbiased, as there is no such thing- every source has biases. Wikipedia articles summarize independent reliable sources, and any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia. Sources are presented to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves in determining what to believe. 331dot (talk) 09:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Israa Jaabis is a terrorist

Open the Wikipedia page of the boston bomber or the unabomber, the word terrorist is used to describe them. I would like the same to be the case here.

"Israa Jaabis is a Palestinian woman imprisoned in Israel since 2015"

Why does it matter if the terrorist is male or female?

Suggested edit.

Israa Jaabis is a Palestinian terrorist imprisoned in Israel since 2015.

39.44.29.28 (talk) 11:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

It identifies her as a woman because...... she is a woman. No more, no less. Please offer independent reliable sources that use the term "terrorist", show that she was convicted specifically for "terrorism", or that describe where she was otherwise designated a terrorist by a government. See policy in this area, MOS:TERRORIST. 331dot (talk) 12:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

This article has false information

This article is inaccurate and only presents outdated information from Times of Israel.

On October 10, 2015, Jaabis was moving furniture in her car to her home in the Jabal Al-Mukaber neighbourhood in Jerusalem when, 500 metres from the al-Zayyim checkpoint in Jerusalem, she lost control of the vehicle. It caught fire due to a technical issue, and the fire caused a gas cylinder to explode. The car was not inspected in the aftermath of the incident by Israeli authorities. Israeli officials presented no evidence of a bomb in her car—they immediately imprisoned her despite having no evidence.

Israa has been released from prison and is reunited with her family today. 47.189.195.7 (talk) 02:18, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Let’s take a closer look at the evidence here.

-Israa Jaabis, a mother of one, was travelling on the road towards her home with a car packed with household furniture including a gas cannister.

- If she detonated a bomb (as suggested in this article) why didn’t the car windows explode or the car change colour with the heat?

- The Israeli military refused a forensic examination of the car after the incident. Why?

- How is it possible that the Israelis found handwritten notes on Israa Jaabis’ person following the explosion? The woman had suffered 60% burns. The heat of the fire was so hot that it had melted 8 of fingers, which later needed to be amputated. How did pieces of paper survive the flames?

- If Israa Jaabis intended to be a suicide bomber, why did she finish her final assessment essay and had it on her desk, waiting to be handed in the following day? 5.90.114.172 (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

This is not the place to discuss or interpret her actions themselves. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic. If the sources are incorrectly describing her actions, you need to take that up with them, not us. If your issue is with the Israeli justice system, we can't help you there. 331dot (talk) 13:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 November 2023

Israa Jaabis, a Palestinian woman, has been imprisoned in Israel since 2015 following an incident in which she sustained severe burns. According to one account, she was arrested after an electrical system failure in her car led to a fire, resulting in injuries and the loss of fingers. Another perspective suggests that she was involved in a car bomb incident with conflicting details on her intent. The differing narratives highlight the complexity of the situation, and the article aims to present a balanced view https://www.palestinechronicle.com/no-pain-like-mine-the-story-of-palestinian-prisoner-israa-jaabis/ and a different story. We want to protect prisoners from persecution and there must be a right approach to such sensible matter and not 2023 modification from only an Apartheid Pro Right Wing entity to appeal to their propaganda JouranlismInvestigative (talk) 23:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

See WP:FALSEBALANCE. Wikipedia does not provide balance where sources do not. Do you have any sources other than Palestinian media? 331dot (talk) 23:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I will not add this source as "Palestine Chronicle" might be easily described as biased or unreliable. Its reliability should be discussed on WP:RSN. NotBartEhrman (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

The alternative sources used to assert that this was an attack are the Jerusalem post and the times of Israel. The times of israle may be reliable but clearly in their article they claim that most of these accusations are based on what police officers said, which seems to be scrubbed completely off the page The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 07:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

This article notes that the claims are based on the testimony of the police. If the police's testimony shouldn't have been taken at face value, or the trial didn't include all the evidence, that is a matter for the Israeli judicial system; the media is just reporting on it. 331dot (talk) 09:11, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 November 2023 (2)

Correct story of Israa Jaabis, your article in inaccurate

She was arrested following an electrical system failure in her car which caught fire while she was still trapped inside. It resulted in first, second and third-degree burns on her face and all over her body, including the loss of eight fingers.

On the day of the accident, October 11, 2015, Israa’ drove from Jericho to Al-Quds in a small car that was overflowing with household items. She was moving to Jerusalem with her son, Mu’tasim, and, by transporting some of the small furniture, she had hoped to save on moving expenses.

Israa’ was moving to Jerusalem without her husband. Her only son, Mu’tasim, was born in Jerusalem and that qualified him for residence in the occupied city. She was allowed to stay with him as she, too, was a Jerusalem resident. His father, however, was barred from the city due to his West Bank ID card. The family agreed to separate for a number of years so that Mu’tasim would have the opportunity for better schooling and health care. Neither parent was thrilled by the decision, but they felt that they had no other option.

One of the items that Israa’ carried with her was a propane tank for the kitchen. It would have been too expensive to buy a brand new one in Jerusalem. As she was leaving Jericho, the engine of her car died twice. Young people in the town warned her to turn around and find another form of transportation, but she did not heed their advice. She needed to get to Jerusalem to her new job at a nursing home. Each time her car died, the engine emitted a burning smell.

After travelling a couple of kilometers outside the Israeli Al-Za’ayem military checkpoint, near the illegal Jewish settlement of Ma’ale Adumim and a short distance east of Al-Quds, Israa’s car died again. No soldiers or army vehicles were in sight. A while later, a retired Israeli police officer passed by her stalled car. He parked his car in front of hers and asked for her ID as she desperately tried to restart the car. “There is a strong smell in the car,” she told him, trying to exit the car, but he insisted that she stay inside while he examined her papers.

She tried to open the windows, but they, too, were affected by the electrical failure. Again, she tried to exit the car, opening the door, but the officer rushed over and slammed it shut, crushing her hand. She yelled “Allahu Akbar ’alaiku” (God is greater than you are), chastising him several times for not allowing her to escape. She urged him to let her out as fire ignited in the front part of the car. He refused. He stood there, watching her burn inside. The airbag deployed, completely trapping her inside the blazing car.

The police officer who stopped her claimed that she was trying to use the propane tank to blow up the car. His testimony was the only one considered in the Israeli court, and Israa’ was branded a ‘terrorist’. She was sentenced to 11 years in prison. She is now serving her term at HaSharon prison inside Israel, and is denied much needed medical attention. After her debilitating injuries and imprisonment, her husband also suffered a car accident, leaving him permanently disabled and confined to a wheelchair. Their son, Mu’tasim, is now living with his grandmother in Jerusalem. 2001:569:BE76:6C00:55E5:F11A:BA84:9053 (talk) 23:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

This is not the place to discuss or interpret her actions themselves. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic. If the sources are incorrectly describing her actions, you need to take that up with them, not us. If your issue is with the Israeli justice system, we can't help you there. 331dot (talk) 13:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 November 2023

1- the article mostly cites Israeli narrative. 2- Huge discrepancy between English and Arabic articles 3- there should be a section for the Palestinian narrative 4- there should be a section detailing the injuries she sustained and the maltreatment she received while incarcerated 5- there should be a section about her book and the documentary that was done about her story Geigerteller (talk) 13:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• The edit request process is for proposing specific changes in a "change x to y" format. If you just want to discuss potential changes, it's not necessary to use the edit request process

Please offer independent reliable sources that document what you are saying. The documentary is mentioned in this article, and her lawyer's position is mentioned as well. 331dot (talk) 14:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)