Talk:Ismail II of Granada/GA1
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Reviewer: Vice regent (talk · contribs) 02:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Claiming this article for review. Will start reading it soon.VR talk 02:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- HaEr48, good job on this article! It's well-written, verifiable, stable, NPOV, well-illustrated and appears comprehensive. After a first reading, one main issue stands out to me: "Abu Abdullah Muhammad" is sometimes referred to as "el Bermejo", sometimes "Muhammad" and sometimes "Muhammad VI". I would suggest adopting a single name for this person. The article also sometimes refers to "Muhammad V" as "Muhammad", adding to the confusion. One choice could be to use the laqab for each of them. I'm assuming that's how the Granadan court probably distinguished them.iVR talk 20:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- Vice regent, thank you for your review. I understand your point, I updated all references to Muhammad V after the introduction of Muhammad VI/el Bermejo to include the regnal numeral, so I hope that clarifies the person. As for Muhammad VI, the article uses "el Bermejo" before his accession as Muhammad VI, which is not ambiguous. Using laqabs might violate MOS:MULTIPLENAMES because none of them had any laqab during the lifetime of Ismail II, similarly with using "Muhammad VI" before his accession. I am intrigued by you said about how the Granadans themselves distinguished them, so I checked Ibn al-Khatib's al-Lamha (which I have access to) there it seems that they are distinguished by their title and relation, e.g. "the sultan", "his (e.g. the sultan's) cousin", "his in-law", which might be too troublesome for our Wikipedia article because the reader will have to keep track of everyone's relation and who the reigning sultan was. HaEr48 (talk) 00:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your edit. I have also made some edits. If you feel they are counter-productive, feel free to revert them. My only hesitation with el Bermejo is that it might be an exonym. I personally prefer to call people what they wish to be called, but if reliable sources use el Bermejo then that's what we should use. I notice that Muhammad_VI_of_Granada#Origin says
the name is also attested in Muslim sources
, but its not clear to what extent it was used by the Granadans.VR talk 00:32, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your edit. I have also made some edits. If you feel they are counter-productive, feel free to revert them. My only hesitation with el Bermejo is that it might be an exonym. I personally prefer to call people what they wish to be called, but if reliable sources use el Bermejo then that's what we should use. I notice that Muhammad_VI_of_Granada#Origin says
- Vice regent, thank you for your review. I understand your point, I updated all references to Muhammad V after the introduction of Muhammad VI/el Bermejo to include the regnal numeral, so I hope that clarifies the person. As for Muhammad VI, the article uses "el Bermejo" before his accession as Muhammad VI, which is not ambiguous. Using laqabs might violate MOS:MULTIPLENAMES because none of them had any laqab during the lifetime of Ismail II, similarly with using "Muhammad VI" before his accession. I am intrigued by you said about how the Granadans themselves distinguished them, so I checked Ibn al-Khatib's al-Lamha (which I have access to) there it seems that they are distinguished by their title and relation, e.g. "the sultan", "his (e.g. the sultan's) cousin", "his in-law", which might be too troublesome for our Wikipedia article because the reader will have to keep track of everyone's relation and who the reigning sultan was. HaEr48 (talk) 00:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Article passed.VR talk 02:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)