Talk:Islam in Spain

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Islam in modern Spain?

I'm not in a position to write on this with authority, but can the article not be expanded to include the resurgence of Muslim communities in Spain in the years following joining the European Union?

--Nerroth 22:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Ummm...They are almost entirely immigrants. If it were not for immigration, Spain would have close to 0% of its population as Muslim. And most of them are from Morocco, look at Moroccan Muslims and you will know what to expect from Moroccan Muslims living in Spain.. 107.222.205.242 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Merge with (the much longer) Al Andalus?

surely?Johnbod 18:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

You must mean Al Andalus ("Islamic Spain" is a redirect). It seems evident to me: all what this article is about is alredy there (and, if not, it should). --Sugaar 18:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, sorry- noticed afterwards - that's what I meant; have changed the heading here accordinglyJohnbod 00:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I also support a merger, having the same topic twice is useless. Please merge. --Arabist 10:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not necessarily the same topic - there are over a million Muslims in modern Spain, and there are similar articles about the presence of Islam in European countries. I had asked before if someone more familiar with modern Spanish Islam could be called upon to contribute, and if someone so qualified could do so, this article would have a more solid reason for remaining unmerged. --Nerroth 00:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree it's not the same topic. Al-Andalus was a specific period in the history of Islam in Spain. After the fall of Al-Andalus there was still Islam in Spain and the current history, of course. Misheu 09:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

some points

Excuse my english.

"Islam has had a fundamental presence in the culture and history of Spain. The religion was dominant from 711 AD until 1492 "

This is inacurate, only about 1/5 of the peninsula was in moorish hands by early XIII century and most of the moors under christian dominion either converted or fleed.

Also it says "As of 2007, Muslims Rule! and an estimated 3% of Spaniards are Muslim." but there is no reference link. Spanish gobernment, EU and even media like The Economist give numbers of about 0.5 millions (1.1 - 1.2 %) wich concordes with the number of morocan and other muslim countries inmigrants.

So how many percent of the population of Spain is muslim TODAY`?

Why doesn't the article give any answer to that question? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.241.40 (talk) 18:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Islamic religious doctrine from the onset was the first of all major monotheistic religions to clearly state that other monotheistic faiths had to be tolerated.

I think some documentation for this claim should be presented, as otherwise it is not neutral and should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.56.12.36 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Needs some serious tidying

This article is rife with ambiguity and inaccuracy.

"The first Mosque in modern Spain was built after approximately 700 years." - 700 years after what?

"The religion was present in modern Spanish soil from 711 until 1492 under the rule of the Arabs and Moors of al-Andalus." - A religion isn't an actual thing or technology that's taken from place to place. It didn't suddenly leave Spain in 1492. I'm pretty sure it should be "on modern Spanish soil" rather than "in" it, as well.

Can someone who knows their Spanish history rewrite this article properly?

Bumblesnug (talk) 05:48, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Provided ref to the first mosque in modern Spain - is now unambigous. Peaceworld111 (talk) 23:48, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

This article is SOOOOO wrong!

Islam in Spain has had a fundamental presence in the culture and history of the nation. The religion was present in modern Spanish soil from 711 until 1492 under the rule of the Arabs and Moors of al-Andalus. For key historical dates, see Timeline of the Muslim presence in the Iberian peninsula. As of 2007, an estimated over 1 million Muslims live in Spain,[1] most of them recent immigrants from North Africa, Middle East, and South Asia; although there are also some Spanish converts, estimated at around 20,000.[2] The first Mosque after the Moors were expelled in 1492, in modern Spain, was built after approximately 500 years in 1982.[3]

In 1492 Granada was conquered by Castille. BUT muslims were not expelled.

Between 1501 and 1515 (depending on the kingdom) muslims were forced to convert or leave. And in 1609-1614 fake converts were expelled. Morisco

So, till 1609 there were Muslims in Aragon and till 1614 in Castille. BUT even after that, there were Muslims in Ceuta, Melilla, Western Sahara, Rio de Oro and Spanish Morocco.

--95.120.79.142 (talk) 03:00, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Should this article talk about Al Andalus

Al Andalus and the various polities which existed in the Iberian peninsula were not "Spain". Spain exists since the union of Castile Aragon and the conquest of Navarre and Granada. I do not see the need to summarize 8 centuries of Islamic history here when it is done in many other articles. Focus should be on Islam since Spain is a country, and particularly at present, not the caliphate.Asilah1981 (talk) 23:16, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

I have revamped the beginning of this article and aim to continue

Feedback welcome here.Asilah1981 (talk) 23:16, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Spain's first modern Mosque

According to the BBC, In 1982, the Ahmadiyya mosque was the first mosque to be built in Spain since the Moors were expelled in 1492. This is simply not true and a careless mistake on their part.

A peer reviewed scholarly source states that Spain's first modern mosque appeared in Córdoba during the Spanish Civil War, a gift for Franco's Muslim soldiers. A fact confirmed by another source. A second mosque, the King Abdul Aziz Mosque (Mezquita del Rey Abdulaziz) opened in 1981.

References

M.Bitton (talk) 00:23, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks M.Bitton for pointing out. I agree with your assessment and edit. HaEr48 (talk) 01:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

I think some make-shift building constructed by occupying Moroccan forces during a Civil War doesn't count. Where is it? How long was it used for? A few months? Weeks? The first mosque was the Ahmadiya mosque, it has been functional to this day, I have driven past it a few times. Btw, here is the original article announcing it in El Pais from 1982. http://elpais.com/diario/1982/07/16/sociedad/395618405_850215.htmlAsilah1981 (talk) 09:15, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Where does it say that it was a "make-shift building"? Maybe M.Bitton could comment? Anyway, even if you discount the civil war mosque, as M.Bitton noted, the King Abdul Aziz Mosque (built 1981) still predates 1982, so we still can't say the Ahmadiyya mosque is the first. HaEr48 (talk) 16:38, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

@HaEr48:It's not a "make-shift building". It's called Mezquita al-Morabito (Al Morabito mosque, as mentioned on page 136 of Aitana Guia's book). Apparently, it was closed for a number of years and reopened in 1992, but that doesn't change anything as you rightly stated. M.Bitton (talk) 17:03, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

HaEr48M.Bitton Yes I looked into this and you are right.Asilah1981 (talk) 18:14, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

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Islam in Spain

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Historical and Contemporary Sufism in Spain

The article currently includes this blurb, largely as an afterthought placed randomly in the Conquest section:

Moreover, the appearance of Sufism on the Iberian peninsula is especially important because Sufism's "greatest shaykh," Ibn 'Arabi, was himself from Murcia. Nakshbandi Sufi order is the widely followed Sufi order in spain.

As detailed in the brief article Sufism in al-Andalus, Sufism indeed had historical relevance for several hundred years in the medieval Iberian Peninsula, and as the quoted blurb references, there is indeed a robust community of Spanish converts to the Naqshbandi Order, one of the more geographically widespread and historically important orders of Sufism. Specifically, the Naqshbandi Order of Sufism retains a high quantity of devotees compared to other orders in contemporary Spain. Concentrated in the town of Órgiva - in a region historically inhabited by Muslims and Moriscos until at least the early 1600s - this community numbered over 1200 members throughout Spain in 2015. There is other documentation of this specific community here via BBC. A much smaller offshoot of what seems like this community, in the small town of Villanueva de la Vera, was documented previously at CNN Photo Blog (link now broken) and is cached here by the author and here by the photographer.

I would be curious to hear if anyone else has input on expanding the mentions of Sufism in this article. And certainly the current mention is located inappropriately... SCSQ3 (talk) 19:57, 26 April 2023 (UTC)