Talk:Islam in Serbia/Archive 1

Archive 1

For user Gon4z

Please stop adding false data into this article: the sources that you read indeed use numbers 325,000 and 405,000 but for completelly different things: Web site that you presented ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4385768.stm ) claim that 405,000 is a number of Muslims in Serbia and Montenegro (not only in Serbia), while 325,000 is (if I remember correctly) number of Muslims by nationality in former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (I will check that when I come home). Also, there is no significant Albanian population in Kuršumlija, and even if there is, this is not Albanian Wikipedia where you should use Albanian name for this municipality - this is Wikipedia in English and therefore most common English names should be used. PANONIAN 06:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

the fact is that two sources out date your by 4 years, and there are 325,000 Muslims in serbia as of 2007 according to my sources and its only fear that you include it i did not delete yours so do not delete mine.Gon4z 20:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, what I just told you? Do you understand the difference between Muslims by religion and Muslims by nationality? Number of 325,000 is a number of Muslims by nationality in former FR Yugoslavia. What exactly you do not underastand here? Also, the two sources that you presented do not mention number of 325,000 - one of them mention number of 405,000, and another one percent of 1.1%. Finally, you did not described reasons why you adding Kuršumlija as place inhabited by Albanians, when this municipality have only relatively larger Roma and Montenegrin minority, but not Albanian one. PANONIAN 12:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

New Islamic leader

Adem Zilkic has been elected. This article also lacks information on the division between Sanjak Muslims into two halves (pro-Serbian and pro-Bosnian?). --PaxEquilibrium 12:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

No more Serbian propaganda, please

Stop suggesting that Bosniaks are Serbians who converted to Islam. That's a controversial issue and claims manufactured by Belgrade historians and their followers.

And what were they before they became Muslims? Bogumil Pagan Religion? Are you freaking kidding me? 99.9% of bosniaks are either of Serbian (Orthodox Christian), or Croatian (Catholic) descent. Ottomans didn't come in Balkans in 9th century. They came in 14th, long time after paganism. Paganism almost didn't exist after 9th century. Christians were second class citizens during ottoman ruling, and those who converted to Muslim religion, weren’t discriminated any more. It is simple as that.

You wanna talk about "Serbian propaganda made by Belgrade historians and there followers"? How about the fact that Bosniaks were Serbs mostly (and Croats) 500 years ago? They speak Serbian for crying out loud! What? They don't speak Serbian, they speak Bosnian? And what were they speaking before 1990?

This is just about how Bosniaks are insecure about there origin, and how they are IMBARESED that they were once upon a time Serbs. And how they become muslims because of hard life as Christians during ottoman ruling.

Bogumil Pagan Religion.... what a bunch of bull crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.189.237.51 (talk) 01:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Before 1971, most when muslim by nationality wasn't a census designation, most muslims identified as Croats. This is easily researched and is evident by how the numbers changed after 1971 when in became a choice. Of course, Serbs will just tell you that Croats are Catholic Serbs... which is more garbage and propaganda.207.236.177.82 (talk) 20:58, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Muslim Serbs

Can I have a question? Is there (modern) Muslim Serbs (not Bosniaks!) in Serbia? There is such an expression in the article Religion in Serbia:

The identity of ethnic Serbs was historically largely based on Orthodox Christianity and on the Serbian Orthodox Church, to the extent that some Serb nationalists claimed that those who are not its faithful are not Serbs.

Also there is an interesting statement in the Meša Selimović article:

In his 1976 letter to the Serbian Academy of Science and Arts, Selimović argued that despite his Bosniak roots (he was a descendant of a notable bey family), he regarded himself as a Serb and a Serb writer.

--195.110.6.24 (talk) 10:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

There is another question, who was Emir Kusturica?:

On Đurđevdan (St. George's Day) in 2005 Emir was baptised into the Serbian Orthodox Church as Nemanja Kusturica (Немања Кустурица) in Savina monastery near Herceg Novi, Montenegro. To his critics who considered this the final betrayal of his Bosnian Muslim roots, he replied that: "My father was an atheist and he always described himself as a Serb. OK, maybe we were Muslim for 250 years, but we were Orthodox before that and deep down we were always Serbs, religion cannot change that. We only became Muslims to survive the Turks.

--195.110.6.24 (talk) 11:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

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