Talk:Islam and music

Regarding al-Ghazali allowing music

According to shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on his soul) he considered al-Ghazali weak in hadeeths this is recorded in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, part 4, p. 71

The following quote I will give

"“If we assume that someone narrated the view of the salaf but what he narrated is far removed from what the view of the salaf actually is, then he has little knowledge of the view of the salaf, such as Abu’l-Ma’aali, Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali, Ibn al-Khateeb and the like, who did not have enough knowledge of hadeeth to qualify them as ordinary scholars of hadeeth, let alone as prominent scholars in that field. For none of these people had any knowledge of al-Bukhaari and Muslim and their ahaadeeth, apart from what they heard, which is similar to the situation of the ordinary Muslim, who cannot distinguish between a hadeeth which is regarded as saheeh and mutawaatir according to the scholars of hadeeth, and a hadeeth which is fabricated and false. Their books bear witness to that, for they contain strange things and most of these scholars of ‘ilm al-kalaam and Sufis who have drifted away from the path of the salaf admit that, either at the time of death or before death. There are many such well-known stories. This Abu Haamid al-Ghazzaali, despite his brilliance, his devotion to Allaah, his knowledge of kalaam and philosophy, his asceticism and spiritual practices and his Sufism, ended up in a state of confusion and resorted to the path of those who claim to find out things through dreams and spiritual methods."

Though he is deeply knowledgeable in fiqh and sufism

I will also give four sources that music is haram.

Surah Luqman 31:6

"And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e.music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, the Verses of the Qur’an) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire)."

Sahih Bukhari 5590

"that he heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."

According to ibn al-Qayyim Imam Abu Hanifa (may Allah have mercy on his soul) is very strict in this ruling that he went to regard playing music as one who is a faasiq (big sinner)

regarding quote

"The madhhab of Abu Hanifah is the strictest in this regard, and his comments are among the harshest. His companions clearly stated that it is haram to listen to all musical instruments such as the flute and the drum, even tapping a stick. They stated that it is a sin which implies that a person is a fasiq (rebellious evil doer) whose testimony should be rejected. They went further than that and said that listening to music is fisq (rebellion, evildoing) and enjoying it is kufr (disbelief). These are their words. They narrated in support of that a hadith which could not be attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They said: he should try not to hear it if he passes by it or it is in his vicinity. Abu Yusuf said, concerning a house from which could be heard the sound of musical instruments: Go in without their permission, because forbidding evil actions is obligatory, and if it were not allowed to enter without permission, people could not have fulfilled the obligatory duty (of enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil" Ighathat al-Lahfan, 1/425

And according to Imam Malik the same opinion is given that one who listens to music is a faasiq I will give the quote rather below

"Imam Malik (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about playing the drum or flute, if a person happens to hear the sound and enjoy it whilst he is walking or sitting. He said: He should get up if he finds that he enjoys it, unless he is sitting down for a need or is unable to get up. If he is on the road, he should either go back or move on. (al-Jami’ by al-Qayrawani, 262). He (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “The only people who do things like that, in our view, are fasiqs.” (Tafsir al-Qurtubi, 14/55)

for more information of how music is haram I could link how it proves my point rather this is the opinion of all scholars temporary, classical, medieval or the salaf which hold the opinion that it is haram https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram

If this changes your mind please update the source and remove it since it could spread the thinking that Music is not haram and this usually spreads misinformation

edit: regarding Shia scholars they are considered to be unreliable to be taken from due to their views of disbelief

Sincerely, KuwaitiMan134 KuwaitiMan134 (talk) 12:09, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Music is not allowed in Islam. Please update the information or remove it altogether

The article presents wrong and partially correct detailed which can blindside Muslims and interested parties. Please remove or update this article with correct information. Music and Dancing is not allowed as is considered as an act of sin. Only two or three types of sounds are allowed which are matters of issue till date. (The comment above lack any citation and only represents a mere personal opinion or statement.) 137.59.1.57 (talk) 17:49, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2023

Muneeb student of knowledge (talk) 19:15, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Sahih bukhari is the most authenic book after the HOLY QURAN and in Sahih bukhari 5590 only duff is halal sunan nasai 1597 in some cases like eid and wedding but only for women which is the most authentic opinion and it should be done in private by the women like on special wedding and Allah knows best

This is the most authentic opinion and Allah knows best

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:09, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Music can be medicine

'All those things which are made forbidden to you have been made permissible if it saves your life'. Well if going to a doctor is not shirrk interms of that 'I am believeing that Allah can not cure me'. In one sense. But we do have to take care of our selves and which is halal. It is proven that some types of music heals minds. There are complex and painfull mind disorderes exist , sometimes as an alternative therapies sound or music is used well .Don't forget noise pollution which harms us.As in conclusion Allah Knows the Best . Please feel free to Enlighten. Towkirzafarkhan2023 (talk) 18:44, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Spelling mistakes

In the section "Islamic music" the term "Manzuma" is misspelled, and hence the internal link leads to a genus of jumping spiders. The correct spelling is "Menzuma" and a Wikipedia page for Menzuma does exist. This article is protected, therefore I cannot edit here. Someone else please change it, thank you. 62.143.128.121 (talk) 15:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Arabic language

I just find it fascinating that there is no Arabic version of this article. Rolando 1208 (talk) 11:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Taliban’s Assault on Music

See also The Taliban’s Assault on Music], an article in Wall Street Journal, Aug. 30, 2024. --katpatuka (talk) 08:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)