Talk:Iron Fist season 1/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 05:36, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I am going to start reviewing this over the next couple of days, leaving notes as I go. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:36, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will be updating the box above me for each type of check as a summary of my findings. Let me know if you have any questions along the way. MPJ-DK (talk) 01:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

• Images are appropriate and tagged correctly

Sources

• Source 67 comes up as a dead link

  I've replaced the references with a new one. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:54, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Plagiarism

• I have checked on all the results on the Copyvio tool and it is mainly the quotes i is indicating, which is not unexpected but also not a problem for the article. Or it is from text that was copied from Wikipedia.

  Thanks, let me know as you go through though if you feel some of the quotes should be paraphrased at all. I might do this myself regardless. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:54, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

• I think they are generally okay, they are not large reams of text after all. I've give this check marks for neutrality, being broad enough yet focused on the subject. More to come.MPJ-DK (talk) 00:24, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

So I am not the master of English grammar so some of these are suggestions.

Lead

• "references to the other seasons." - What other seasons? they have not been mentioned yet

Episodes

• "able to reach Harold's children Ward and Joy in a display of martial arts." - No sure what that means?
• "Ward meets with a secretly alive Harold" - how about "Ward meets with Harold, who had faked his death" or something along those lines.
• "Harold considers the possibility that Danny is alive," -> "Harold considers the possibility that Danny survived the plan crash"
• "who reveals that he has" -> "Where Danny reveals that he has", just to be totally sure who "he" is.
• "but is pushed from the side of the building." - No sure what this means?
• "is allowed to kill the Triad member responsible." - since I have not seen Iron Fist I'm not sure if Harold personally killed the guy or someone else did? Reading this it sounds like Harold did it himself, is that true?
• "of being always watched" -> "of always being watched"
• "who created the heroin while the Hand held his daughter hostage" -> "who was forced to create the heroin as the Hand held his daughter hostage"
• ", where Danny's family was going when their plane crashed" -> ", which is where Danny's family was going when their plane crashed"
• "Joy refuses for the pair of them, and" I don't think the comma is appropriate here
• "Danny grows suspicious, and infiltrates" no need for the comma
• "Bakuto stabs Danny with an unknown object, before he" superfluous comma again
• "Harold decides to kill Bakuto, and formulates" - comma
• "Joy freezes the accounts as Wing frees herself and escapes" - seems like two separate actions
• "Ward escapes the hospital and goes to the penthouse, and tries to get Joy away from Harold" two "ands" in there, you could replace then second one with "where he"
• "the pair are able to" -> "the pair is able to", a singular "pair"

Cast and characters

• More to come as I get time. MPJ-DK (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

• Just pinging @Adamstom.97:. I have not seen any changes from you to address what I've found so far and I wanted to be sure you're aware of the ongoing review? If you are too busy to deal with this right now please let me know. MPJ-DK (talk) 12:29, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @MPJ-DK: Adamstom.97 was offline for a bit, but they are back now, limitedly. I also was offline this week, hence I did not continue addressing your new comments. Both of us will work to address your comments. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:08, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
    • Favre1fan93 Excellent, I will continue my review then. Thank you for the update. MPJ-DK (talk) 18:14, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
      • No worries! Thanks for the review and sorry for the confusion. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:16, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
        • Yes, thank you for this review MPJ-DK, and sorry again for the delay in response. I have now given the page a copyedit that I believe has addressed all of your concerns from above. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
• Excellent, I am hoping to wrapping this up today from my point. The improvements are looking good. MPJ-DK (talk) 00:59, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Development

• Link Defenders first time it's used in the main article
  • Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
• and that December Marvel - Comma after December
  • Done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Filming

• lights would be painted on set - I am not clear on what that actually means?
  • Some one would take a paint can (be it white, black, or some type of gloss paint) and apply that to the lighting units on set to help "bring down the highlights". - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Critical response

• • • I read the source, since the sentence did not make sense to me, and I did no draw the same conclusion. I read it as the crew paining any object that would be too reflective to dull it down. MPJ-DK (talk) 04:31, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
• While the show received mainly negative reviews I am surprised to see just how large a part of the article this is. the "Critical response" section is by far the largest, and that doesn't count the two controversy subsections. That really feels like it's too much. Perhaps condense some of the negative feedback, they do not need to be so detailed out and can feel a bit repetitive.

Fight scenes and Casting Controversy

• See above comments, between the three sections it looks like half of the actual article text (not counting the episode descriptions).

• Favre1fan93 and Adamstom.97 - I think that is it, I will put this on hold to allow improvements to be made. I am not in any rush to complete this, I want to do this with quality and not speed so don't feel rushed. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:03, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I've taken care of the few notes. Regarding the size of the reception section onward, I think we can look into reducing them some, but I don't think we should be against them being as indepth as they are. That then could result in the section be somewhat larger as they are now. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

• Currently it is almost 50% of all prose (excluding the recaps) written on season 1 dealing with reception and controversies. That to me does not look like it's "balanced". MPJ-DK (talk) 04:27, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

• Favre1fan93 and Adamstom.97 we are coming up on 7 days on hold and I see no work or even a statement of intent to work on the over-sized negative coverage. While you can chose to take my input or not, that is your choice - I cannot in good conscience pass an article for GA where 50% of the sourced text is negative reactions - that is not balanced. I have no problem being "in depth" but a some point it feels like a 12th grade bully whooping a 9th grade nerd and you start to feel bad for the fact that it's got bad after bad after bad piled on. MPJ-DK (talk) 23:18, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
• Since there has been no responses or activities on this in 8 days I am going to go ahead and fail this as it does not meet the neutrality crieria. MPJ-DK (talk) 01:27, 25 January 2019 (UTC)